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jjasso007 05-20-2014 04:11 PM

Kicker situation
 
What are your thoughts on our kicker situation? Confident with Shayne Graham going forward? Or do you like Derek Dimke who came out in the 2012 draft, has been on two preseason teams in two years and hasn't stuck? Or do you hope we bring in someone else to compete?

Seer1 05-20-2014 04:24 PM

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It's a stupid position to settle for mediocrity, but we seem to have been stuck there for a while. There were a couple of good ones in the draft, but we were to busy adding to our safety collection...

exile 05-20-2014 04:36 PM

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I think Graham will be the guy. SP seems to stick to his guns with kickers.

jjasso007 05-20-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 594590)
It's a stupid position to settle for mediocrity, but we seem to have been stuck there for a while. There were a couple of good ones in the draft, but we were to busy adding to our safety collection...

I can see the value in Sunseri as more of a special teams ace, since special teams have been an area we needed to upgrade the last couple years. But picking up Ty Zimmerman and Pierre Warren as UDFA's when we needed a kicker makes me scratch my head. Maybe they are waiting for the kickers to be cut to bring one in?

jjasso007 05-20-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 594593)
I think Graham will be the guy. SP seems to stick to his guns with kickers.

SP does stick with players, but I think we stuck with Hartley a little too long at times

Rugby Saint II 05-20-2014 05:32 PM

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Graham missed those two kicks in one game. On one of those our back up QB didn't turn the laces out and the other was a long attempt in swirling winds.

saintfan 05-20-2014 06:53 PM

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Bring Hartley back!

:couch:

Halo 05-20-2014 06:56 PM

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KICKALICIOUS!!!


Cruize 05-20-2014 07:10 PM

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I had more confidence in Hartley than I do the guys currently on the roster.

Jack Vegas 05-20-2014 11:01 PM

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I like Graham. He's more dependable than any rookie we would potentially be bringing in. But he obviously doesn't have the big leg. The 45-50 yard field goals aren't going to happen. But with this offense I'm OK with that. When we bog down it seems to be close to the goaline or in the red zone. Doesn't seem to me we're often getting stuck on the 30 or 35.

saintshrimp 05-21-2014 12:48 AM

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Graham isn't the answer. His first NFL contract was with the New Orleans Saints where he signed as an undrafted free agent in 2000. Since then Graham has been on the rosters of 14 NFL franchises . S there is a reason why he can't seem to stick somewhere for long He don't have a NFL leg

Jack Vegas 05-21-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 594675)
Graham isn't the answer. His first NFL contract was with the New Orleans Saints where he signed as an undrafted free agent in 2000. Since then Graham has been on the rosters of 14 NFL franchises . S there is a reason why he can't seem to stick somewhere for long He don't have a NFL leg


He has had a 17-year-career in the NFL. So that tells me he probably has an NFL leg. I wouldn't care to guess how many kickers with "NFL legs" have washed out of the league in that span.

Last 5 years he's hit 51 out of 59 field goal attempts, with 5 of those misses coming from 50+ yards. Before that he had years where he hit 21-of-21, 31-of-34, 25-of-30, 28-of-32, 27-of-31 and 22-of-25. His career FG percentage is 85.5 which is 7th best of all-time and less than 1 percentage point behind Mike Vanderjagt who is tops on the list.

That doesn't mean Graham is a stud or an all-time great, but it does definitely show that he is worthy of being an NFL kicker.

As for the number of teams he's been on, if you look at it he's been a victim of circumstance. His performance has never been the issue, it's always somebody wanting to have a younger/cheaper kicker or him coming in midseason as an injury replacement and knowing that next year the other guy was coming back.

jeanpierre 05-21-2014 04:07 PM

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Thought it was very smart of Payton to sign him; a kicker who kicked outdoors in the snow, ice of Cincinnati, which also includes a schedule that takes 'em to Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cleveland...

So kicking in the Dome should be really nice, but he has experience kicking outdoors...

Hartley fell apart outdoors and had concentration problems inside the thirty-five which had dramatic effect on those seasons...

I can live with a kicker being 70% beyond 48 yds and 95% under same...

Besides, with this offense and where we've spent our money, we shouldn't have to rely on 50yd field goals...

Seer1 05-21-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 594721)


Besides, with this offense and where we've spent our money, we shouldn't have to rely on 50yd field goals...

But we have and we will and it'd sure be nice to have it when we do.

SmashMouth 05-21-2014 09:40 PM

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But we signed Sergio.

Sergio Castillo, K, West Texa s A&M, 5-11, 195: Set a Division-II career scoring record and honored as country’s best small-school kicker.
The Saints

Danno 05-21-2014 09:58 PM

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We also have Dimeke on the roster also. For some reason I thought they cut Castillo a while back


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