Is The Saints Offense Too Predictable?
 

Yes.

Is the Saints Offense Becoming Too Predictable? - Canal Street Chronicles

This is why Sproles and even Graham being gone wouldn't break my heart. It's also why I was so gung ho about us gathering up good offensive linemen in the draft.

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If it is then so are all the other offenses in the league. Like the Broncos. But I don't buy it.

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If Graham had been a factor and fought for some of the passes...

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Loring yea Loring, Armstead and Cook added into the mix should let SP play around with his play calling more.

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I have two questions both related to Graham.

1. The piece was about the 8 screen plays that the Saints ran against the Seahawks last season. What exactly does that have to do with Graham?

2. Exactly how is Graham going to be "gone"? Truly if the Saints wanted him gone, they certainly could have traded him while he was under contract or not put the franchise tag on him. In the current situation there's only three possible outcomes:

1. The Saints and JG work out a long term deal.

2. JG signs the franchise tender and plays one year under the tag.

3. JG holds out the entire season and doesn't play for anyone.

Since #3 only has like a 0.0000001% chance of happening, exactly how is he going to be gone?

While I agree that improving the line and adding a playmaker will help the offense, I don't understand exactly how Graham was a specific part of the problem outlined in the piece or how he's not going to line up for the Saints come September.

A little assistance please?

SFIAH

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Hell Yea!!! Way to predictable I truly believe we should do a whole lot of running the ball. Because when you shut down Jimmy Graham its over. When they take out Pierre Thomas and put another running back in,you know it's gonna be a run. I think they should make Stills a deep threat like what they did with Devery Henderson, Brandon Cooks should be the new slot receiver like what we did with Lance Moore either across the middle or a pitch out play. We need to get more creative with our packages with Mark Ingram & Kirly Robinson such as pass plays and more screens GET THEM MORE INVOLVED !!

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The article wasn't specifically targeting Graham; how often do TEs run screen plays?

The fan that posted the article mentioned he wouldn't care if the Saints traded Graham.

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Exactly! If we went short looking for yardage, it was more likely than not a screen play. And more likely than not it was heading in Sproles' direction. If we were going longer and it was a yardage absolutely needed play, more likely than not it was headed Jimmy's way. Graham'll do better with more play makers out on the field that the QB trusts. He was kind of on his own by the end of last season and when we faced a team that had his number, well we all saw what happened. Drew'll do better without a bunch of angry guys not wearing the Black and Gold in his face. We need some different plays and and some other play makers out there.

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This is the kind of dribble you get from this dubious source.
Please refrain from posting links from this source in the future.

Much appreciated. :bng:

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A Graham deal will get done.

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If predictable breaks as many records as this team has broken over the last few years, give me predictable.

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Our offense gets predictable in critical situations, I'm talking 3rd and short etc

based on the personell payton brings on, I can tell what the play will be so other teams definitely can

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Isn't it predictable the Saints are going to score a lot of points?

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Alot of teams have set their D up to shut down our pass happy O.We are way to predictable in our O when we run certain packages. With Sproles not being here it should tone down the screen some. I still would let Graham walk for a more traditional TE and run the ball more. I feel we should be more of a play-action O over a pass happy O, 7 days a week 24 hours a day 365 days a year. If there is a year for a UDFA to step up I feel O-lineman would be the spot.

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the Saints were ruling the NFL in 2010,2011 with screen plays and options

other teams took notice and adjusted their formation to make sure the plays didn't develop

how many screen plays last year netted no yac? a lot

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want to be unpredictable ???????????????

establish a consistent run game. 100+ yards/game for 16 games

without it the unpredictable becomes predictable

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I think a lot of this stems from all the new faces at WR and RB IMO. Moore Colston and Graham hurt or taking out of a game by the defense. Then PT banged up at times put the depth of this team at center stage. Stills can only do so much as a primary WR.

So I still believe Drew did not have faith in most of them last year to run a no huddle or a hurry up. He had was worried about the LT blowing his assignment and the RB picking up the defender i bet. much less the WR or TE being were they should be.

By seasons end Drew had to be hearing foot steps after the pounding he took.

this offense needs a lot reps this off season

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I love this line

Looking to catch the Seahawks by surprise, the Saints used running back Mark Ingram for the first of their four screen plays. The Seahawks defense clearly was not expecting it, as the play fake and blocking setup both worked well. Unfortunately, further endearing himself to Saints fans who already adore him, Ingram dropped Brees' pass with blockers in front of him and a potential big gain ahead.

endearing indeed

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Drew's always seemed great in the hurry up, but like Hagan's pointing out there were some trust and OL issues there.

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I'm trying to find something in here that makes sense.

1. Every defense sets up the D to stop a pass happy offense. With Brees, pressure up the middle disrupts the play most every time. With DLP gone and hopefully a healthy Evans, this is going to be curtailed a bit.

2. Sproles really wasn't the screen guy. PT is really the screen guy. Defenses simply became more disciplined to the screen. LB stayed home instead of rushing.

3. Jimmy Graham isn't going anywhere. And honestly where is the value of letting a double digit TD guy walk?

4. Pass happy offense works the vast majority of the time. Last year Brees averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt. Not completions, attempts. Yards per completion posted at 11.5 yards. So on average the Saints got a first down each and every time someone caught the ball.

5. You may not realize it, but the Saints oLine has guys that have made the Pro Bowl in virtually every position and some point in their recent career. And the one who hasn't (Armstead) is poised for a breakout year. So exactly where is a UDFA going to crack the lineup?

I always see discussions as if the offense is seriously broken and needs to be overhauled. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The only thing I'd really question is what should the Saints do in the 4 minute drill, when you absolutely have to keep possession of the ball. That's where pass happy falls down and inconsistent running gets you in trouble.

But I don't see much sense in overhauling the entire offense just for that situation. Simply come up with a package for consistent possession and clutch yards and pull it out when necessary.

SFIAH

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2. We also played against teams that have studs at LB position. It's not like we played Dallas every week.

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You mean a Daham deal :D

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You fail to mention all the hurries ,sacks, happy feet, and running for his life Brees had to do. A stud C would ease a lot of that, not to mention shoring up the run game and pass protection, not getting our trigger man killed is the key. As far as Graham he don't block, gets shut down by physical DB's, a traditional TE does it all. If they let him go I wouldn't lose any sleep. Our screen was blown up time after time, time for a change, whether it was Sproles or PT. And when have we pulled out clutch yds. against Seattle, they own us as it is now, so some change is good, losing Graham wouldn't hurt and a stud C would help. Our run game needs to set the game and the pass will be there!!

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They are way too predictable. 40 points per game over and over and over. :greendevil:

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Sorry Exile, but what was the score of the Seattle game again?

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I know of no such game. :D

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It's a crying shame...........I had very high hopes for him coming out of Alabama. The way he ran reminded me of Emmitt Smith. Sometimes though Ingram acts like a thug. I like my athletes to be humble.
This year is a prove it year ahead of him.

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I was going to go more with dumbass than thug. If it helps to fire up the bench then that's cool, but his spaz attacks were kind of stupid-funny. I was wishing I was watching someone on the other team do that dumb dance.

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LMAO. i can understand spazing out if you had a great play that resulted in something big. or you just ran over a LB or something. 3 yards and spaz? give me a break. I love Lance but i will not miss his telling me he got a first down. we are a winning franchise finally and well i expect a lot of first downs.

I am a huge Barry Sander type of fan. score a touch down and calmly hand the ball to the official. He once said " if I spike the ball and/or dance you better look at the tape because i did some thing that amazed me or was huge. Well at least by my standards." Those were pretty high standards

That is a mind set the saints really need to establish. Expected greatness from ones self is a job requirement. all the the dynasty teams had it or have it. It is that professional cocky self confident attitude of organization. good is expected and greatness is common place. now impress me kinda thing.

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Exactly........:stupid: