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WhoDat!656 06-12-2014 06:47 AM

Why Joseph Morgan should be nervous
 
Every year, the signing of free agents and the drafting of new players can bring excitement to the coaching staff and fan base. However, it could also bring apprehension to some returning veteran players as young players are gunning for their spot. This year, wide receiver looks to be one of the most competitive positions this offseason. Consequently, veteran receiver Joseph Morgan’s job could be in jeopardy.

The New Orleans Saints saw wide receiver as the biggest need to address this offseason. And on the draft they acted accordingly trading up to snag Oregon State playmaker Brandin Cooks. The addition of Cooks and other talented undrafted free agents has all of a sudden made wide receiver a crowded position.

New Orleans Saints: Why Joseph Morgan should be nervous

fvncsaints 06-12-2014 07:04 AM

Re: Why Joseph Morgan should be nervous
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see him and Meachem get cut. We will see, but they're going to have to show up big time in camp. It's going to be exciting.

WhoDat!656 06-12-2014 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fvncsaints (Post 596955)
I wouldn't be shocked to see him and Meachem get cut. We will see, but they're going to have to show up big time in camp. It's going to be exciting.

I would be more surprised if Morgan gets cut than Meachem.

dam1953 06-12-2014 08:39 AM

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The one receiver who has been the biggest disappointment is Toon. He can't seem to stay healthy enough to be on the field, and even when he has been, Toon's performance has been average to bad. Last year alone his drops could have made the difference in two of our losses.

AsylumGuido 06-12-2014 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 596963)
The one receiver who has been the biggest disappointment is Toon. He can't seem to stay healthy enough to be on the field, and even when he has been, Toon's performance has been average to bad. Last year alone his drops could have made the difference in two of our losses.

Toon has been the standout WR so far in OTA's and the mini-camp according to those in the know.

voodooido 06-12-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 596968)
Toon has been the standout WR so far in OTA's and the mini-camp according to those in the know.

Key words: OTA and mini-camp:dunce:

AsylumGuido 06-12-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 596969)
Key words: OTA and mini-camp:dunce:

The point is that he didn't get much of a chance after OTA's and camps last year. He had his moments, but was odd man out in the numbers. Payton has said he is looking "great" this off-season.

voodooido 06-12-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 596973)
The point is that he didn't get much of a chance after OTA's and camps last year. He had his moments, but was odd man out in the numbers. Payton has said he is looking "great" this off-season.

Can he be placed on the PS squad this year?

AsylumGuido 06-12-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 597016)
Can he be placed on the PS squad this year?

Nope, he isn't eligible.

Practice Squad Rules

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Section 4. Eligibility:

(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.

(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club's physical and been a member of the club's Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (For purposes of this Section, a bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.)
Section 4 (a)(i) excludes Toon since he was on the 53 man roster all of last season.

hagan714 06-12-2014 03:05 PM

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if he can not stay healthy he does us no good even on the PS

exile 06-12-2014 03:16 PM

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Colston, Stills, Cooks, Meachthem, Toon and Morgan. Coleman or Hawkins to PS. I don't get why Morgan would be nervous unless he get injured again.

dizzle88 06-12-2014 03:17 PM

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Consistency is Toons downfall

its no suprise that he got less and less snaps as the season went on

he made an amazing catch vs bears, then dropped an easy TD 4 plays later
He batted 2 balls in the air vs jets, one was picked

He has more drops than regular season catches so far

jjasso007 06-12-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 596956)
I would be more surprised if Morgan gets cut than Meachem.

Not sure I agree. When I think of Morgan, I think of speed. But when I look at the 40 times for our receivers who are, realistically, fighting for a roster spot or will make the team, here's what we have.

Joseph Morgan: 6'0 4/12, 4.38 40 time (Pro Day)
Joe Morgan*|*Walsh,*WR*:*2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Nick Toon: 6'1 7/12, 4.43 40 time (Pro Day)
Nick Toon*|*Wisconsin,*WR*:*2012 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Kenny Stills: 6'0 4/12, 4.32 40 time (Combine)
*Kenny Stills*|*Oklahoma,*WR*:*2013 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Meachem had a 4.39 combine time, but he's slower now, of course. But Meachem has also been our best blocking WR for some time, plus he has a good working relationship with Brees and knows how to get open and knows his role.

So we have two more speedsters in Cooks and Stills, both able to do what Morgan is primarily known for and both faster. Toon was 0.05 seconds slower in his 40 time than Morgan plus is younger. And, so far, he's had a very good OTA (but we'll see when the pads go on how he performs).

For me, with players who are faster, or nearly the same as Morgan, he seems like the odd man out. With a taller receiver in both Toon and Meachem, and you can't teach height, I think Morgan could be on the outside looking in if he doesn't blow people away in TC

On a side note, I love Morgan and really see some tough cuts coming this season

AsylumGuido 06-12-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 597026)
Consistency is Toons downfall

its no suprise that he got less and less snaps as the season went on

he made an amazing catch vs bears, then dropped an easy TD 4 plays later
He batted 2 balls in the air vs jets, one was picked

He has more drops than regular season catches so far

Toon was only on the 45 man active roster eight times last season. The Saints only had four WR's active most weeks. Toon made the roster when Colston, Meachem and Moore missed weeks due to injury. He was the odd man out. It is hard to get consistent when you seldom work with the 1st string.

AsylumGuido 06-12-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 597025)
Colston, Stills, Cooks, Meachthem, Toon and Morgan. Coleman or Hawkins to PS. I don't get why Morgan would be nervous unless he get injured again.

The Saints usually only carry five WR's on the 53 man roster. Colston, Stills, Cooks and Toon are probably locks. That leaves one opening for Meachem or Morgan. There is reason to be nervous.

exile 06-12-2014 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597031)
The Saints usually only carry five WR's on the 53 man roster. Colston, Stills, Cooks and Toon are probably locks. That leaves one opening for Meachem or Morgan. There is reason to be nervous.

My bad. Then Colston should be nervous. :p

ChrisXVI 06-12-2014 03:58 PM

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Toon has so much potential that it pisses me off thinking about him possibly not capitalizing on his opportunity. He has perfect size and speed... Just gotta make those catches! When it comes to Joe Morgan... Look, we all loved that awesome play against the Buccaneers 2 seasons ago but I think it's time to move on. One-dimensional fast guys are a dime a dozen. Who knows if he's even that fast anymore after these injuries.

Rugby Saint II 06-12-2014 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 597033)
Toon has so much potential that it pisses me off thinking about him possibly not capitalizing on his opportunity. He has perfect size and speed... Just gotta make those catches! When it comes to Joe Morgan... Look, we all loved that awesome play against the Buccaneers 2 seasons ago but I think it's time to move on. One-dimensional fast guys are a dime a dozen. Who knows if he's even that fast anymore after these injuries.

Morgan or Toon might not make this squad. The funny thing is Coleman just might.:bng:

Danno 06-12-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597031)
The Saints usually only carry five WR's on the 53 man roster. Colston, Stills, Cooks and Toon are probably locks. That leaves one opening for Meachem or Morgan. There is reason to be nervous.

I'm pretty sure they typically keep 6 on the roster, and one year under Payton they kept 7.

GeauxNO1986 06-14-2014 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 597050)
Morgan or Toon might not make this squad. The funny thing is Coleman just might.:bng:

Coleman has a ton of work to do as he has not looked that good so far. Toon is in IMO and Meac will be cut. Coleman to the PS

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Danno 06-14-2014 12:03 PM

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Saw a tweet (Holder?) that said Meachem looks better/faster than ever.
If so then I think he makes the team, or is cut/re-signed after week one to avoid guaranteeing his contract.

I've read Coleman isn't looking too good, but neither did Colston in his 1st OTA's either.

My gut tells me
Colston
Stills
Cooks
Morgan
Toon
Meachem

Coleman, Hull and Jones look like solid PS guys so far. Can't wait to see how they do in pads.

ScottF 06-14-2014 07:30 PM

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Say what you want about Meachem, but he plays. He's lost a step, never lived up to being a number one, sucked in SD, but here he is back in the mix. I think he is even with Toon, and way ahead of Morgan

NonieT 06-14-2014 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 596956)
I would be more surprised if Morgan gets cut than Meachem.

I wouldn't.


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