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biloxi-indian 06-13-2014 08:22 AM

Saints' Jimmy Graham a franchise tight end, clearly not a wide receiver
 
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Barring a seismic shift in their positions over the next week, the New Orleans Saints and tight end Jimmy Graham will conduct a $5 million debate starting June 17. The two sides will argue whether Graham should be deemed a tight end or a wide receiver under the franchise tag rules, which pay a player a one-year salary that averages the top five annual incomes at the position heading into next season.

Per the NFL management council, which represents the league's 32 teams, the Saints will contend that Graham is a tight end, which would earn him $7 million for the 2014 season if the two sides don't work out a long-term deal by July 15.

Graham, despite his Twitter profile, and his camp argue Graham's usage in the Saints' offense should translate to being paid like a wide receiver, which would bring a heftier $12.3 million price tag in 2014 under the franchise tag rules.

The chief argument benefitting Graham entering the grievance hearing is that he lined up as a "wide receiver" 67 percent of the snaps in 2013 and as an in-line tight end the rest of the time, according to ESPN and Pro Football Focus.

Teams treated Graham as if he were a wideout in some situations last season by placing a cornerback on him in pass coverage. But despite opponents defending Graham as if he were a wideout, no personnel executive or front-office type would dare consider him a true wide receiver.

A top-flight wide receiver is typically covered by a cornerback on every play.

I charted every pass route Graham ran last season, including the postseason, and cornerbacks were involved in coverage on 177 of Graham's 630 routes. Brees only threw a pass toward Graham 38 times in the 2013 season against a cornerback. Graham caught 20 of those 38 passes (52.6 percent success rate).

Graham's 52.6 percent success rate vs. corners would rank 91st out of 111 wide receivers last season, nestled between St. Louis' Brian Quick and former Cowboys wideout Miles Austin, according to the catch percentage rate compiled at Pro Football Focus. It would be the lowest rate among Saints wide receivers. By comparison, teammate Marques Colston ranked 11th last year, catching 70.1 percent of the passes thrown his direction.

Here's how Graham compares to the top five receiving yardage leaders last season: the Cleveland Browns' Josh Gordon, 58.4 catch rate percentage; Pittsburgh Steelers' Antonio Brown, 69.2; Detroit Lions' Calvin Johnson, 56.8; Denver Broncos' Demaryius Thomas, 66.7; and Cincinnati Bengals' A.J. Green, 57.0.

Graham's overall completion percentage stood at 58.8 percent, which is better than three of the aforementioned players. But it didn't hurt that a safety, linebacker or lineman covered Graham 72 percent of the time in 2013 (454 pass routes).

Imagine the success of any of the previously mentioned wideouts if they saw the bulk of their matchups against a defender other than a cornerback.

Graham finished with 90 catches for 1,267 yards and 16 touchdowns last season, including the postseason. Only 20 of his receptions were made against a cornerback, for 258 yards and four touchdowns. Graham caught a pass only 11.3 percent of the time a cornerback covered him.

Predictably, Graham created most of his damage when not covered by a cornerback, catching 70 passes for 1,009 yards and 12 TDs last season vs. other defenders. Brees targeted Graham 115 times in this situation (75.2 percent of Brees' targets to Graham) and completed passes to Graham on 60.9 percent of his throws.

The difference in how defenses played Graham was evident during his monstrous run at the front end of last season.

The Saints' tight end exploded with 10 receptions for 179 yards and one score in Week 2 at Tampa Bay. What did it look like when the Bucs put a cornerback on Graham in that matchup? Thirteen cornerback matchups, four targets, three receptions, 31 yards.

Graham produced a few more eye-popping stat lines in Weeks 3 and 4 against Arizona and Miami. But cornerbacks such as Jerraud Powers, Brent Grimes and Nolan Carroll clamped down on Graham those two weeks as well.

Week 6 at New England opened the eyes of the rest of the league in how to defend Graham.

It was the only game in 2013 when a cornerback followed Graham wherever he lined up throughout the entire game. Aqib Talib shadowed him out wide, in the slot and even covered Graham in his traditional tight end role along the offensive line. The smothering cornerback coverage didn't stop when Talib left the game with an injury.

The stats run deeper than the 0-fer Graham put up that day. The totals from Week 6 vs. New England: 24 cornerback matchups, six targets, no receptions, one interception.

In the most glaring display of a team treating him as a receiver, there's no reason to consider Graham an elite wideout deserving $5 million more under the franchise tag.

Then there was Graham's disappearing act in the NFC divisional playoff game at Seattle.

The Seahawks covered Graham with a cornerback 13 times in the playoffs, compared to six times during the regular-season matchup in Week 13. Brees targeted Graham only once out of those 13 occasions as Seattle threw four corners at Graham during the Saints' loss (Richard Sherman, Byron Maxwell, Walter Thurmond, Jeremy Lane). Graham's only catch came in the final seconds, and it wasn't with a cornerback on the assignment.

A theory has been bandied about that the Saints lined up Graham along the line more as the 2013 season progressed to prevent Graham's eventual claim in contract negotiations that he was utilized primarily a wide receiver.

Sorry to debunk the thoughts of underhanded scheming by the Saints. But Graham was more effective lined up near the offensive line or with his hand on the ground because it created better matchups against non-cornerbacks. It was an on-field strategy, not one for on-the-books record keeping in the accounting department.

He lacks the speed and route-running ability to beat most cornerbacks off the line of scrimmage and out of his breaks. That's why the Saints invested a first-round pick in May on speedy wideout Brandin Cooks to team with fellow receivers Colston and Kenny Stills.

Graham is an All-Pro tight end and deserves to be paid as such. The Saints have no qualms about making him the highest-paid tight end in the league, surpassing the six-year, $53 million deal struck in 2012 by New England and Rob Gronkowski.

Graham, however, wants to be considered a wide receiver to ultimately get paid like one. But as the results show, when treated like a receiver by defenses, Graham doesn't fit the bill.

New Orleans Saints' Jimmy Graham a franchise tight end, clearly not a wide receiver | Larry Holder | NOLA.com

ScottF 06-13-2014 09:03 AM

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On June 16 they should look at not just how many times he lined up at wideout, but how many times he was targeted as a wideout.
Then we can franchise him as a decoy

SmashMouth 06-13-2014 09:17 AM

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What's the tag price on a decoy? $3?

Utah_Saint 06-13-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 597092)
What's the tag price on a decoy? $3?

What was Reggie making before he left?

Seer1 06-13-2014 09:35 AM

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So much for opinions, when is the thing supposed to actually be ruled on?

ScottF 06-13-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 597099)
So much for opinions, when is the thing supposed to actually be ruled on?

hearing starts June 16, might run to the 17th

the fact that we haven't restructured Grubbs or curbed our spending at all makes me think Loomis feels pretty confident going in

lee909 06-13-2014 09:47 AM

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Both sides know the result is just a bargaining chip.

SaintsBro 06-13-2014 09:51 AM

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I think as soon as this appeal ruling comes down, there will be a contract pulled out the desk drawer for Jimmy to sign within a couple of days. Similar to the Drew deal, which happened absurdly fast after the ruling came down. For all we know, Loomis and Graham's agent may even have agreed to the outlines of TWO contracts, ready to go, in the desk drawer, just waiting for which ever way the arbitrator rules.

ScottF 06-13-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 597104)
I think as soon as this appeal ruling comes down, there will be a contract pulled out the desk drawer for Jimmy to sign within a couple of days. Similar to the Drew deal, which happened absurdly fast after the ruling came down. For all we know, Loomis and Graham's agent may even have agreed to the outlines of TWO contracts, ready to go, in the desk drawer, just waiting for which ever way the arbitrator rules.

I agree' I think the arbitration is just a stunt by the PA, and that JG gets $10 mill and we move forward.
The problem now is that we are only 1.5 mill under the cap. The contract needs to be a Loomis special with a high back end

lee909 06-13-2014 10:09 AM

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Ignore the headline figure when the deal is done. Only fighures that matter is the guaranteed money and cap hits in first 3 or so years.

Jack Vegas 06-13-2014 10:26 AM

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So tired of hearing about this junk. The guy is a tight end who moves around the formation, no different than half the tight ends in the league anymore. Why are we still talking about this crap? So tiresome.

Rugby Saint II 06-13-2014 12:38 PM

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He is certainly not a blocking TE. If he's a WR then he's really slow.

halloween 65 06-13-2014 02:32 PM

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Very good read!! Excellent really!!

Michigan_SF 06-13-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 597129)
He is certainly not a blocking TE. If he's a WR then he's really slow.

How fast is Colston? Moreover, couldn't someone transform from playing 1 position to another? Hey I hope it works out as TE or a WR paid at the rate a top TE is paid or whatever else keeps him here.

SaintFanInATLHELL 06-13-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 597105)
I agree' I think the arbitration is just a stunt by the PA, and that JG gets $10 mill and we move forward.
The problem now is that we are only 1.5 mill under the cap. The contract needs to be a Loomis special with a high back end

A short Caponomics lesson:

1. The $7 million franchise tag value is currently a part of the cap. Once the long term deal is signed, that money is released.

2. Long term deals are structured with the signing bonus spread over the life of the contract. So a $15 million signing bonus over 6 years for example would count $2.5 million against the cap each year.

3. The $10 million is the average salary over the life of the contract. Typically because of the signing bonus, the salaries for the first year or two are low. So a $1.5 million salary and a $3 million salary in 2014 and 2015 respectively would not be unreasonable. With the signing bonus that would be a shade less than $20 million in the first 2 years, matching the average.

Couple it all together and JG may count less than $5 million against the cap for 2014. So in fact signing a long term deal will likely open up some cap space.

Edit: I missed the "high back end" when I first read it. My apologies. My lesson just explains what a "high back end" means. All non guaranteed (or more precisely "not likely to be earned") dollars in a contract is monopoly money. The breakpoint is almost always when the first option bonus comes up and/or when the salary jumps. Usually this is close to mid contract. All salary after that is the "high back end".

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL 06-13-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 597114)
So tired of hearing about this junk. The guy is a tight end who moves around the formation, no different than half the tight ends in the league anymore. Why are we still talking about this crap? So tiresome.

Take your pick:

- Because it's June.

- Because the clause "majority of snaps played" is in the CBA

- Because of ESPN and NFL Network

- Because the hearing is next week

- Because JG is the highest profile franchised player this offseason

- Because JG is currently not attending OTAs and minicamp. Of course he's currently not under contract (just sayin...)

SFIAH

Danno 06-13-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 597157)
A short Caponomics lesson:

1. The $7 million franchise tag value is currently a part of the cap. Once the long term deal is signed, that money is released.

2. Long term deals are structured with the signing bonus spread over the life of the contract. So a $15 million signing bonus over 6 years for example would count $2.5 million against the cap each year.

3. The $10 million is the average salary over the life of the contract. Typically because of the signing bonus, the salaries for the first year or two are low. So a $1.5 million salary and a $3 million salary in 2014 and 2015 respectively would not be unreasonable. With the signing bonus that would be a shade less than $20 million in the first 2 years, matching the average.

Couple it all together and JG may count less than $5 million against the cap for 2014. So in fact signing a long term deal will likely open up some cap space.

SFIAH

He's likely to get a similar 8-year deal to Gronk. Just add about 2 million to each year and you have roughly what Jimmy is gonna make.

Gronks cap hits...
2.7
2.8
5.4
8.6
8.8
7.3
10.3
11

pumpkindriver 06-13-2014 08:14 PM

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Even the NFLPA has said this is nothing but a naked grab for cash. I'm so sick of this mess that I'm to the point where if Saint's just said screw it, we don't need the headache and cut him, I wouldn't mind.

Utah_Saint 06-14-2014 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pumpkindriver (Post 597173)
Even the NFLPA has said this is nothing but a naked grab for cash. I'm so sick of this mess that I'm to the point where if Saint's just said screw it, we don't need the headache and cut him, I wouldn't mind.

No, that was an unnamed source from Triplett's article and it was about the NFLPA, not the NFLPA about Graham.

“The union’s position is a naked cash grab,”

burningmetal 06-14-2014 04:32 AM

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If I were the Saints I would open up the hearing with this: "Aqib Talib shut him down". I would pause for a couple seconds and then turn to Jimmy's people and say "beat that".

Everyone in the media were praising Talib after that game and saying he's the defensive player of the year. But as I recall, he struggled quite a bit after that. He wasn't even healthy against Jimmy, and still he got shut out. Some "wide receiver" we got there.

SaintFanInATLHELL 06-14-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpkindriver (Post 597173)
Even the NFLPA has said this is nothing but a naked grab for cash. I'm so sick of this mess that I'm to the point where if Saint's just said screw it, we don't need the headache and cut him, I wouldn't mind.

Trust me, it was the NFL that said it was a naked grab, not the Players Association (NFLPA)

I'm very glad that none of us are Mickey Loomis, who is a cap guy that understands how these things work. He is simply going to sit tight and keep his mouth shut until all the facts are in. Then they will hammer out a deal.

When Graham has 4 TDs after the first two games of 2014, you'll be how amazingly quickly all of this will have been forgotten.

BTW you cannot cut a player who is not on your team. A franchised free agent is still a free agent. JG could sign an offer sheet with another team at any time. Please note for the record that he has not done so, has not talked about doing so, or seems to have any interest in doing so.

All the Saints can do at this point is rescind the franchise tender. At that point, JG is a completely free agent who can sign with any team for any price with absolutely no compensation to the Saints under any circumstance.

I'll admit that JG and his agent are not just sideline sitters on this issue. I guess they could have refused to press the issue and keep the NFLPA from filing. The designation issue is a difference of potentially $5 million a year. Only a fool would not at least explore the possibility of getting such a bump.

Even if JG wanted out, the smart play is to still go through the hearing and get the results of the arbitration. If his franchise number is actually $12 million, then even if he wanted to negotiate with other teams (which again I don't believe) then that would give his agent leverage in the contract negotiation.

Honestly if you're sick of it, just ignore it until after the ruling. Probably 2 seconds after that, our All Pro tight end will be resigned to a huge long term contract and all will be forgotten. All you really need to do is wait for training camp. All will be done by then one way or the other.

SFIAH

nutria 06-14-2014 08:14 PM

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A cornerback on Graham should leave the other receivers open, so what happened in Seattle? Offensive line? Brees?

Danno 06-14-2014 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nutria (Post 597261)
A cornerback on Graham should leave the other receivers open, so what happened in Seattle? Offensive line? Brees?

They held us all game. And since we fell behind we were forced to throw. And oh yeah, they were the best team in the NFL.

Utah_Saint 06-14-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nutria (Post 597261)
A cornerback on Graham should leave the other receivers open, so what happened in Seattle? Offensive line? Brees?

Colston had the best game any receiver had in Seattle all season.

AsylumGuido 06-19-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 597229)
Trust me, it was the NFL that said it was a naked grab, not the Players Association (NFLPA)

I'm very glad that none of us are Mickey Loomis, who is a cap guy that understands how these things work. He is simply going to sit tight and keep his mouth shut until all the facts are in. Then they will hammer out a deal.

When Graham has 4 TDs after the first two games of 2014, you'll be how amazingly quickly all of this will have been forgotten.

BTW you cannot cut a player who is not on your team. A franchised free agent is still a free agent. JG could sign an offer sheet with another team at any time. Please note for the record that he has not done so, has not talked about doing so, or seems to have any interest in doing so.

All the Saints can do at this point is rescind the franchise tender. At that point, JG is a completely free agent who can sign with any team for any price with absolutely no compensation to the Saints under any circumstance.

I'll admit that JG and his agent are not just sideline sitters on this issue. I guess they could have refused to press the issue and keep the NFLPA from filing. The designation issue is a difference of potentially $5 million a year. Only a fool would not at least explore the possibility of getting such a bump.

Even if JG wanted out, the smart play is to still go through the hearing and get the results of the arbitration. If his franchise number is actually $12 million, then even if he wanted to negotiate with other teams (which again I don't believe) then that would give his agent leverage in the contract negotiation.

Honestly if you're sick of it, just ignore it until after the ruling. Probably 2 seconds after that, our All Pro tight end will be resigned to a huge long term contract and all will be forgotten. All you really need to do is wait for training camp. All will be done by then one way or the other.

SFIAH

All can can say is thank God that there is someone else with enough understanding and patience to attempt to battle this wave of total misunderstanding.

You have my total respect, SFIAH, especially having to be in "Atlanta Hell".

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