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WhoDat!656 06-17-2014 08:03 PM

Jimmy Graham’s Twitter bio may cost him millions of dollars
 
The defense rests your honor!

Could Jimmy Graham's Twitter bio cost him millions?

saintfan 06-17-2014 08:14 PM

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No. It's not up to Jimmy Graham. It's not a court of law...doesn't matter what he says. At least that my .02.

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Cruize 06-18-2014 12:12 AM

Re: Jimmy Graham’s Twitter bio may cost him millions of dollars
 
Everyone is slotted. His position is TE. Just because he can't block doesn't change that.

SaintsBro 06-18-2014 11:17 AM

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LOL, his own bio on his own friggin' website also says he's a tight end:

Bio « The Official Website of Jimmy Graham

dizzle88 06-18-2014 11:19 AM

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AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 597511)
LOL, his own bio on his own friggin' website also says he's a tight end:

Bio « The Official Website of Jimmy Graham

Graham has never said he wasn't a tight end. The only body that has ever stated that Graham should be recognized as anything other than a TE is the NFLPA. Graham has stayed out of this whole argument and has never uttered a word about it, one way or another. I am sure his silence was elicited by the NFLPA.

jnormand 06-18-2014 12:16 PM

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I am so tired of this. Cmon and sign or pack your **** and leave! We have this going on because someone wants more than 10 million a year and you have a guy like Tanner who's making **** while on the practice squad busting his ass for 5 years. How ironic.

SaintLeonard 06-18-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 597520)
I am so tired of this. Cmon and sign or pack your **** and leave! We have this going on because someone wants more than 10 million a year and you have a guy like Tanner who's making **** while on the practice squad busting his ass for 5 years. How ironic.

So would you rather have Tanner on your team than Graham? Am I reading this right?

jnormand 06-18-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 597521)
So would you rather have Tanner on your team than Graham? Am I reading this right?

No you're not. Where in the hell did i say that? I'm complaining because one guy isn't at work and wont take 10 million a year and another is probably getting league minimum and is busting his ass.

Here let me sum it up: I love Jimmy but I am sick of this bull**** with the WR vs TE crap. I understand its not him "personally" pushing it, but I don't care.

SaintLeonard 06-18-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 597523)
No you're not. Where in the hell did i say that? I'm complaining because one guy isn't at work and wont take 10 million a year and another is probably getting league minimum and is busting his ass.

Here let me sum it up: I love Jimmy but I am sick of this bull**** with the WR vs TE crap. I understand its not him "personally" pushing it, but I don't care.

If you understand he's not pushing it, I don't understand why you are upset. There's not much Graham can do in this situation other than wait.

Also, if Tanner was the bigshot and Graham was the PS guy busting his ass, I guarantee you Tanner wouldn't be out on the field right now either.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 597523)
No you're not. Where in the hell did i say that? I'm complaining because one guy isn't at work and wont take 10 million a year and another is probably getting league minimum and is busting his ass.

Here let me sum it up: I love Jimmy but I am sick of this bull**** with the WR vs TE crap. I understand its not him "personally" pushing it, but I don't care.

Then what is the anger toward Graham? Why is there anger at all? This is nothing but business. It happens multiple times to differing degrees every year. Missing a few OTA's and a mini-camp will have zero effect on Graham's standing with the Saints. You yourself said that you understand it isn't Graham personally, so why then do you take it personally.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 597520)
I am so tired of this. Cmon and sign or pack your **** and leave! We have this going on because someone wants more than 10 million a year and you have a guy like Tanner who's making **** while on the practice squad busting his ass for 5 years. How ironic.

Oh, and who's to say that Graham isn't busting his ass, as well? When Brees was forced to miss his time with his version of the NFLPA versus the league, he worked out away from the team. Graham has been doing the same.

AsylumGuido 06-18-2014 01:39 PM

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As I said earlier, Graham has been instructed to say nothing. Any doubt that came from the NFLPA?


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Ramon Antonio Vargas ‏@RVargasAdvocate 12m

Approached #saints All Pro Jimmy Graham for comment at a New Orleans-area hotel. He said, 'I can't say anything.'
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Retweeted by Mike Triplett
Ramon Antonio Vargas ‏@RVargasAdvocate 11m

I asked #saints All Pro Jimmy Graham if he could say something after things wrapped up. He said, 'No.' All for the record.

jnormand 06-18-2014 01:41 PM

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Oh for heavens sake never mind. I'm not taking it personally. I don't hate Graham. Good Lawd. I just want this over with. Im tired of hearing about the TE vs. WR BS. Dayum.

And I think the WR argument is stupid.

SaintFanInATLHELL 06-18-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 597520)
I am so tired of this. Cmon and sign or pack your **** and leave! We have this going on because someone wants more than 10 million a year and you have a guy like Tanner who's making **** while on the practice squad busting his ass for 5 years. How ironic.

Um does tanner have 300 receptions and 41 TDs over the last 4 years?

Has Tanner been named an All-Pro?

I keep seeing arguments about the amount of money. But honestly if you had a chance to make more money for the work that you do because you are the absolute best at that job, and that others are willing to pay you more money, then why is it wrong to ask for it?

Relative to his production, JG has been paid crap for the last 4 years. All he has done is produce, keep his mouth shut, and play productively through a painful injury.

As I keep saying, only a fool would not file a piece of paper that has the potential to increase his salary by 30%. And only a fool would sign a contract before knowing the outcome from that filing.

Why is no one blaming the Saints here? They could have offered JG this contract extension last year and completely avoided all of this. They could have made JG the highest paid TE in the game and been done with it.

That's a rhetorical question. The reason is that the Saints are trying to maximize their value for this contract. BTW that's exactly what JG, the NFL, and the NFLPA are all trying to do.

It just seems like everyone is missing the fact that someone who is working a job/career only has to take crap wages when there are no other options. I just don't understand why everyone thinks that someone should be happy getting a raise to $9/hr from $7.25/hr instead of getting a new job on the open market that pays $11.50/hr. What exactly has the original employer done to deserve getting a $2/hr discount? Especially when they were paying you extremely low wages relative to your current worth up to the point where they had to offer the raise, or lose you to the competition? Why is unreasonable to ask your current employer to pay somewhere in the ballpark of $11.50/hr?

Multiply the rates by a million and change hour to year and that's exactly the situation Graham is in. Except that up until now he's been making $0.82/hr instead of the hypothetical $7.25/hr from the example above.

It seems like we're having this discussion as if folks have to pay for this out of their pocket. The Saints are going to be able to generate a contract that will lower their cap number for at least 3 years in a period while the cap is rising.

The frustration about this is completely non-sensical to me....

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL 06-18-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 597534)
Oh for heavens sake never mind. I'm not taking it personally. I don't hate Graham. Good Lawd. I just want this over with. Im tired of hearing about the TE vs. WR BS. Dayum.

And I think the WR argument is stupid.

It probably is. Personally I don't think that lining up in the slot by definition makes you a WR.

But sometimes the only way to put such silly arguments to bed is to have them adjudicated. And there is very specific language about this in the contract between the NFLPA and the NFL.

BTW this won't be the last time we see this. OLB in the 34 wanting to be classified as DE, nickle safeties wanting to be classified as CB, and the like will pop up. A long as a player is doing the work that is typically assigned to one position and getting paid a lower salary, this issue will keep popping up.

SFIAH

saintfan 06-18-2014 03:08 PM

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Rugby Saint II 06-18-2014 03:53 PM

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How many times did Jimmy line up within 4 yards of the tackle? As far as I know that is the area that a TE lines up. Don't quote me......I just heard that.

SaintsBro 06-19-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 597518)
Graham has never said he wasn't a tight end. The only body that has ever stated that Graham should be recognized as anything other than a TE is the NFLPA. Graham has stayed out of this whole argument and has never uttered a word about it, one way or another. I am sure his silence was elicited by the NFLPA.

True, true -- but you would think that the NFLPA would at least be smart enough to have Jimmy's website redesigned. I mean how much can that cost, really, to go in and fix one line of text in a website, with five million dollars on the table? Doesn't stop me from laughing at the website. It will be used against him, just like the Twitter was.

AsylumGuido 06-19-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 597649)
True, true -- but you would think that the NFLPA would at least be smart enough to have Jimmy's website redesigned. I mean how much can that cost, really, to go in and fix one line of text in a website, with five million dollars on the table? Doesn't stop me from laughing at the website. It will be used against him, just like the Twitter was.

That's just one more reason why it is hard to believe any of this was Graham's idea. The NFLPA can pressure Graham to keep silent, but they cannot make him change his personal Twitter profile. Graham is a very intelligent man. If he had instigated this grievance he would have had his profile listing himself as a WR. As I have stated repeatedly, this is all the NFLPA.


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