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AsylumGuido 06-24-2014 07:09 PM

Result of the Graham Hearing
 
So. When do y'all think we'll hear something?



What? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to shake you up. Things were just a little slow around here today.


My bad.

:cool:

WhoDat!656 06-24-2014 07:39 PM

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July 15 looms for Graham, Saints | ProFootballTalk

ScottF 06-24-2014 08:12 PM

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okay, I enjoyed reading the whining about 2009 Vikings

July 15th? I think we hear something before that. How much time do we get after the ruling to 'get our affairs in order'

AsylumGuido 06-24-2014 08:38 PM

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Seriously, something should come out within the next day or two. If it goes in the favor of the NFLPA then things have to move fast because of cap implications. If the NFL league office wins then July 15th is still the date.

I can't believe I am actually pulling for Goodell's henchmen. Damn.

ScottF 06-24-2014 10:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 598081)
Seriously, something should come out within the next day or two. If it goes in the favor of the NFLPA then things have to move fast because of cap implications. If the NFL league office wins then July 15th is still the date.

I can't believe I am actually pulling for Goodell's henchmen. Damn.

Yeah, but you're not...
both parties signed the agreement...we're all just hoping (rightfully so) that it is held up

AliJee 06-25-2014 01:37 AM

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Cmon Mr.Burbank do something quick!

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FinSaint 06-25-2014 03:50 AM

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Yeah, I was under the impression that it would take about a week, from the end of the hearings, for there to be an official statement about the outcome.

At least, I remember reading something like that in some of the gazillion articles about this issue.

hagan714 06-25-2014 04:37 AM

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pretty serious conclusion is to be reached in this matter. how much do you pay a player that in today's NFL that is not a good enough blocker to be a TE. As a matter of fact many WR are better blockers. Yet is not an elite WR? Dude can be shut down pretty easily by CB. So what do you do with a mutant?

Brace yourself we may just come out of this with a position designation.

saintsfan1976 06-25-2014 07:12 AM

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All owners are .....:popcorn:

SmashMouth 06-25-2014 08:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 598091)
pretty serious conclusion is to be reached in this matter. how much do you pay a player that in today's NFL that is not a good enough blocker to be a TE. As a matter of fact many WR are better blockers. Yet is not an elite WR? Dude can be shut down pretty easily by CB. So what do you do with a mutant?

Brace yourself we may just come out of this with a position designation.

You have your answer there in your statement. He can be franchised as a mutant.

http://www.gamesmutant.com/wp-conten...09/mutant1.jpg

Danno 06-25-2014 08:24 AM

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Arbitration sides with Graham!!!

SmashMouth 06-25-2014 08:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 598105)
Arbitration sides with Graham!!!

:bs:

Link?

Danno 06-25-2014 08:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 598107)
:bs:

Link?

What? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to shake you up. Things were just a little slow around here today. My bad. :p

AsylumGuido 06-25-2014 09:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 598108)
JULY 15TH! ! ! Oh well. I just wish that this comes to an end real soon. I really dont understand JG position on the matter. He was signed as a TE and yes he was a big target for Drew, and yes he without question made a huge impact in the way the saints play offense but, its only because his role as a TE (as so many others) put him in a position to where he can run down the field and catch passes from one of the nfl's elite qb's. My thing is take the highest paid TE salary, stop trying for this "i was used as a wide receiver more than a TE" notion. For an example as just joe employee i may sometimes do task (on my job) of what a manager or supervisor may or should do however, the owner of the company isnt paying me the manager or supervisor salary. If I dont want to do those task or duties than that's a decission i have to make. When JG was being used as a wide out, was the question raised "am I (JG) going to be compensated as a wide receiver?" If so and he was promised he will receive compensation as such then pay the man, if not then JG I'm sorry you played a TE position that the organization used you in a wide receiver role to better the team. You did what was necessary to make the team better. So now this notion i should get a wide receiver salary doesnt make sense to me maybe someone could shed some light on why i maybe wrong for taking this approach please!

You don't understand Jimmy Graham's position on the matter because he has never stated his position on the matter. Graham has not uttered a single word concerning his tag designation as TE versus WR. He has never even typed a single word about the subject either. Nor has his agent. The only entities to have broached the subject are the NFL (who designated his tag as a TE) and the NFLPA (who basically asked Graham's permission to challenge that designation to attempt to help future designees).

Cruize 06-25-2014 12:11 PM

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He's a TE. He will be slotted as such. Graham can play for the tag, holdout for a long term deal, or try and get the Saints to trade him. Simple. I'm personally not concerned about it. Loomis and Co. will do what's best for the Saints.

AliJee 06-25-2014 12:20 PM

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Is he a Wide End or a Tight Receiver? I really don't care. Just like everybody else I want a long term deal worked out and to get on with football

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ScottF 06-25-2014 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AliJee (Post 598089)
Cmon Mr.Burbank do something quick!

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Longer is probably better...there is speculation that Burbank told both parties that they would have some time to work it out, and probably should.

The NFLPA is really pushing on this one, but by going for broke might get nothing

AsylumGuido 06-25-2014 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 598134)
Longer is probably better...there is speculation that Burbank told both parties that they would have some time to work it out, and probably should.

The NFLPA is really pushing on this one, but by going for broke might get nothing

I think you might have this right.

AliJee 06-25-2014 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 598135)
I think you might have this right.

You guys are absolutely right about longer being better, I'm just tired of the suspense.

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ScottF 06-25-2014 06:53 PM

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following the theme of the OP & Danno, here's the latest on JG:

NFL Trade Rumors: Jimmy Graham Heading to Cleveland Browns, Arbitration Ruling Sends Saints into Full-on Rebuild | Gospelherald.com

gotta love the headline
Apparently if lose Jimmy we are going to need to rebuild. Or we could just use of our other 7 offensive toys

lee909 06-25-2014 07:02 PM

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1+1 is 436324644357823940263


That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year.


He has an outstanding case that he will probably win.
According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way:
45 percent as a slot receiver,
33 percent as an in-line tight end
22 percent as a wide receiver.

So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then

Utah_Saint 06-25-2014 11:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 598150)
1+1 is 436324644357823940263


That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year.


He has an outstanding case that he will probably win.
According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way:
45 percent as a slot receiver,
33 percent as an in-line tight end
22 percent as a wide receiver.

So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then

Where is the Slot defined as a TE position?

If that's the case, then Eddie Royal, Wes Welker, Tavon Austin, Dexter McCluster, Jericho Cotchery should all be designated TEs too. Jimmy Graham lined up wide out more often than any of them.

lee909 06-25-2014 11:50 PM

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There is no such position as a slot receiver.


The "Slot Receiver" is anyone lining up wide of the line and inside of the WR.
RB/TE and WR can receive in what is regarded as the slot.

Look at the link below show Sproles lining up in the 'slot' and then Graham doing the same. Neither are WR but lining up a few yards off the traditional position that a TE/RB would line up to get them a clean go
The wording and tags need changed but that should have no impact on this case as it stands.

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Beastmode 06-25-2014 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 598150)
1+1 is 436324644357823940263


That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year.


He has an outstanding case that he will probably win.
According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way:
45 percent as a slot receiver,
33 percent as an in-line tight end
22 percent as a wide receiver.

So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then


If I'm doing a job and 78% of the time I'm doing the job of a higher salary employee well then hello desk audit! Time for me to get paid.

I could see this forcing the NFL to create more defined roles of players outlined in contracts, like really defined year to year. Sproles could have been a WR as well.

Utah_Saint 06-26-2014 12:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 598167)
There is no such position as a slot receiver.


The "Slot Receiver" is anyone lining up wide of the line and inside of the WR.
RB/TE and WR can receive in what is regarded as the slot.

Look at the link below show Sproles lining up in the 'slot' and then Graham doing the same. Neither are WR but lining up a few yards off the traditional position that a TE/RB would line up to get them a clean go
The wording and tags need changed but that should have no impact on this case as it stands.

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I'm confused (it happens a lot more than I care to admit) how can you add the slot snaps to the TE position but in the next post explain that slot doesn't define a position?

Utah_Saint 06-26-2014 12:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 598168)
If I'm doing a job and 78% of the time I'm doing the job of a higher salary employee well then hello desk audit! Time for me to get paid.

I could see this forcing the NFL to create more defined roles of players outlined in contracts, like really defined year to year. Sproles could have been a WR as well.

IF Sproles (or any running back) lined up in a receivers position (slot or wide) more than in the backfield and IF he were being franchised as a RB, you can bet dollars to donuts he'd appeal a RB designation, it's a difference of 2.5 million a year. That's a heck of a negotiating position. He'd be crazy if he didn't.


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