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Rugby Saint II 08-09-2014 11:47 AM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
The good: we remain healthy
The bad: none....it was the first preseason game
The ugly: GW..........real real ugly. :roll:

Jack Vegas 08-09-2014 11:55 AM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
Somebody I forgot to mention but looked good was Rufus Johnson. He made a couple of nice plays early on. Didn't play very long though.

nola_swammi 08-09-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 602972)
I didnt get to see the game, so I have to ask.....was Coleman really tbat bad? I read that he was slow with his progress during OTAs, but seemed to catch on during camp.Do yall think hes worth holding on to or was one game enough to consider him done?

He was awful, couldn't catch anything and cause a interception
I will let the preseason play out; maybe he can make the practice squad,

nola_swammi 08-09-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 603012)
Odd considering I just read he had an absolutely awful game. I have yet to review the 2nd half.

. Not that I don't believe you read it but where is the link. I'll be watching it over, I doubt I missed something, but iam human

Barry from MS 08-09-2014 12:40 PM

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Cooks, Ingram, Hill, Walker, Griffin (makes a strong case for 2nd spot to let McCown walk), Morstead, Hicks, and 1st half interior O-line were superb.

T. Rooks looked bad, but this Coleman dude was way worse and the turd of the night. Special Teams sucked yet again with coverage, with returns AND allowed a fake punt to go 30-something yards. Coordinator McMahon continues to blow like the solar wind, and just like last year special teams will be our Achilles Heel. Regardless of talent, McMahon continues to prove that his does not have a clue on how to use this talent or do his freakin' job. Graham can go ahead and pack his bags, as far as I'm concerned; give Dimke the job...at least he didn't miss a freakin' 33 yard extra point. Plus Graham has a reputation as someone who is shaky with clutch kicks (see last playoff game). Dimke for hire.

Overall I was pleased with both sides of the ball, but special teams coordinator can go live in a van down by the river. Nothing has changed or improved with those special teams units since last year...or the year before...or the year before...or the year before...

lee909 08-09-2014 12:46 PM

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Didnt see the game.
Got alot on my mind at the moment and have not paid much attention to whats happening yet. By the sounds of things it look good overall last night but we need a athletic top notch MLB very soon. A Ogletree type who can cover the field side to side?

alleycat_126 08-09-2014 01:19 PM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
Stars of the Game

Tyrunn Walker..... Pancake After Garrett Gilbert shook loose of Trevin Wade was UUUAWESOME!!!! Also good break to stop a fourth down

Cooks.... They were as afraid of him as we are waiting to see him in punt coverage....coner kicks most time.... TD catch didn't even look like he struggled.....

Ok......Powell with a sack, Khiri Fortt with a Pressure.... and SJB... at least for a Rookie was in the right area... He will learn to stop those types of plays as he progresses

DUD....Brandon Coleman... I call it nerves... He just wasn't there when the lights came on.... The pass that bounced off of his helmet... I was like please don't let that be #16...... but it was!!! UGHHHH!!!

The Dude 08-09-2014 02:09 PM

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I'm watching again and Ingram is def a bright spot. I do think our 1st string need some work. I realize our passing offense was not up to what we expect but Bree's is hurt I get that. Bradford didn't play either so it was pretty even as far as starters being in but the Rams out played us when most of the starters were in.
I saw some missed blocks (graham) and so
E blown coverage. There is room for improvement. I did see some good coverage on ST, hope that carries into season.

Danno 08-09-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 603049)
I'm watching again and Ingram is def a bright spot. I do think our 1st string need some work. I realize our passing offense was not up to what we expect but Bree's is hurt I get that. Bradford didn't play either so it was pretty even as far as starters being in but the Rams out played us when most of the starters were in.
I saw some missed blocks (graham) and so
E blown coverage. There is room for improvement. I did see some good coverage on ST, hope that carries into season.

Lelito's 1st game at Center and Grubbs, Evans, Stills, Lorig and Brees out.
We didn't have anything even close to our starters playing in that game.

blackangold 08-09-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 603035)
. Not that I don't believe you read it but where is the link. I'll be watching it over, I doubt I missed something, but iam human

Read it when I was skimming through a few sites last night. Can't remember what one it was.

Like I said I didn't notice anything myself.

Schmohams 08-09-2014 03:02 PM

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Tyrunn Walker was an absolute hoss last night!

blackangold 08-09-2014 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 603049)
I'm watching again and Ingram is def a bright spot. I do think our 1st string need some work. I realize our passing offense was not up to what we expect but Bree's is hurt I get that. Bradford didn't play either so it was pretty even as far as starters being in but the Rams out played us when most of the starters were in.
I saw some missed blocks (graham) and so
E blown coverage. There is room for improvement. I did see some good coverage on ST, hope that carries into season.

What good did you see on ST?

The drop off from Brees to Mccown is far worse than Bradford to Hill. Bradford hasn't done anything in this league so in my opinion there isn't really a drop off at all.

Here is our list of starters that did not play:

Drew Brees

Jairus Byrd

Pierre Thomas

Champ Bailey

Ben Grubbs

Jahri Evans

Kenny Stills

Erik Lorig

Victor Butler

Kind of long.

exile 08-09-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 603013)
LOL...



We have Cooks...




Cooks doesn't do KR. And he hasn't really lit things up at PR. It'll be interesting to see if he turns into the punt returner this year.

The Dude 08-09-2014 03:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 603064)
What good did you see on ST?

The drop off from Brees to Mccown is far worse than Bradford to Hill. Bradford hasn't done anything in this league so in my opinion there isn't really a drop off at all.

Here is our list of starters that did not play:

Drew Brees

Jairus Byrd

Pierre Thomas

Champ Bailey

Ben Grubbs

Jahri Evans

Kenny Stills

Erik Lorig

Victor Butler

Kind of long.

I saw some good coverage, the return game def needs some work.

hagan714 08-09-2014 03:28 PM

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bad -
CB depth does not look to be improved. the second and third year players all seem to pick up were they left off. so it will be a long year of praying to stay healthy. white still at his best with the play in front of him.

OL looked good for the most part and Litto did well except for missing a couple of stunts. Saints need to keep an eye on the waiver for back ups. I was not to impressed with the depth as a whole.

DL inside looks set. i like the showing of the dack ups. DE is an are that did not shine but it looks to be better than last year. we need to work on Jr backup.

WR - I have to wait till Drew returns. Coleman stunk up the joint. hit it the face with a ball. i almost fell out the chair LMAO. Toon? for a man his size he runs like a wimp. at least he caught the ball. but lack of effort to get yards after the catch leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

ILB - another year of quick quick throws up the seam will kill us again this year.

good - it is the first preseason game.

The Dude 08-09-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 603057)
Lelito's 1st game at Center and Grubbs, Evans, Stills, Lorig and Brees out.
We didn't have anything even close to our starters playing in that game.

They had their fair share out too. Including two of their best defensive players, but I do see your point.
I didn't see PT out there, any news on him? Figured they are just not risking injury?

Exxcalibur 08-09-2014 04:49 PM

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Anyone having trouble replaying this on a NFL network /game pass subscription? Really annoying.

saintsfan403 08-09-2014 05:29 PM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
I agree with Hagan that our o-line depth is a bit shallow minus our interior. Considering we had Harris and Senio Kelemente starting in Lou of Grubbs/Evans + Lellito and Goodwin, I think that's ok. Tackle depth has me quite worried though.

Cruize 08-09-2014 05:46 PM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
Good - Run game. Ingram and Robinson. Cooks. Walker. Foster. Graham recieving. Humber. Griffin. Forrt, Powell and Sunseri showed promice. Dimke. Win.

Bad - The leader at kicker missed an easy one. Graham barely offering a shoulder on a block and getting the RB killed. LB's as a group are not impressive. Coleman didn't do the minimum for a NFL reciever in catching the ball. A WR, LB, and possibly CB not currently on the roster will make the final 53.

Ugly - The Saints NEED a healthy Byrd, Stills and Grubbs.

MarchingOn 08-09-2014 05:51 PM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 602930)
Good-Ingram, Robinson, Cooks
Bad- Jean Baptiste
Ugly- Coleman

But you forgot to add DT Tyrun Walker to the "Good" list

saintsfan403 08-09-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 603072)
They had their fair share out too. Including two of their best defensive players, but I do see your point.
I didn't see PT out there, any news on him? Figured they are just not risking injury?

PT has some sort of injury. Payton didn't say exactly what it was, but Holder/Triplett both said he was out with injury.

halloween 65 08-09-2014 06:21 PM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 603068)
bad -
CB depth does not look to be improved. the second and third year players all seem to pick up were they left off. so it will be a long year of praying to stay healthy. white still at his best with the play in front of him.

OL looked good for the most part and Litto did well except for missing a couple of stunts. Saints need to keep an eye on the waiver for back ups. I was not to impressed with the depth as a whole.

DL inside looks set. i like the showing of the dack ups. DE is an are that did not shine but it looks to be better than last year. we need to work on Jr backup.

WR - I have to wait till Drew returns. Coleman stunk up the joint. hit it the face with a ball. i almost fell out the chair LMAO. Toon? for a man his size he runs like a wimp. at least he caught the ball. but lack of effort to get yards after the catch leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

ILB - another year of quick quick throws up the seam will kill us again this year.

good - it is the first preseason game.

I was watching the ILB.'s as close as I could last night and you nailed it, quick slants will hurt us bad. Lofton blew his assignment I believe on a rb. and that can't happen often he is slow in coverage anyway, Hawthorn at least tried to cover his man. Bottom line unless we get a ILB that can do both or bring in 1 of the 50 safetys we have to play the low box it will be the same.

alleycat_126 08-09-2014 11:57 PM

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Is it just me or does anyone think the Saints running more Stretch zone helped Ingram out?

Papa Voodoo 08-11-2014 12:03 PM

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I was expecting A LOT more from Coleman. He looked terrible. Hopefully P-Rob and Champ are good to go. Dixon (#44) is the second coming of Jason David.

Danno 08-11-2014 01:07 PM

Re: Ok the good the bad and the ugly
 
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 603313)
I was expecting A LOT more from Coleman. He looked terrible. Hopefully P-Rob and Champ are good to go. Dixon (#44) is the second coming of Jason David.

Reports from camp today said he dropped another one.:(

|Mitch| 08-11-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 603329)
Reports from camp today said he dropped another one.:(

And that's why a "projected" mid round pick went undrafted; team took a chance and you never know he may get the dropsies corrected, or maybe not :confused:

Seahawks12th 08-11-2014 02:41 PM

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I watched the game and damn, you guys weren't suppose to get a running game, that was part of the deal. :D

Danno 08-11-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 603338)
I watched the game and damn, you guys weren't suppose to get a running game, that was part of the deal. :D

And it was against the Rams' starting D-line, which some say is the best in the NFL.

Utah_Saint 08-11-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawks12th (Post 603338)
I watched the game and damn, you guys weren't suppose to get a running game, that was part of the deal. :D

Nobody notified the fans either. We're just as shocked as you are.

Seahawks12th 08-11-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 603342)
Nobody notified the fans either. We're just as shocked as you are.

Well my prediction this year is Seattle Vs New Orleans NFC Championship this year in your house. UGHHHHH.


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