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One thing that bothers me about him is that I hear reports that he is kind of mentally weak. He gets discouraged and fed up easily when things don't go his way. If he gets discouraged every time he gets burned he won't last long.

At some point he is going to need to step up. If Lewis goes down for any length of time there will be a huge drop off.

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He's not mentally weak; he's only had 2 years at corner was a WR before that... And it was known when they drafted him, that he was a project with terrific upside, he was never supposed to start this season.

But in the two games he's played he's had pretty decent coverage and just wait until we start pressing with him :bng:

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You are absolutely correct Danno. I really do not get the draft process. I still see a second rounder as what should be a potential first year contributor.

Please make sure you're not eating or drinking before reading the next sentence.

I would've rather seen us pick one of the two high potential place kickers available this year than a project. Don't say I didn't warn you...

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Why would I not want to draft a kicker? I would have no problem drafting a kicker.

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Ever watch Jay Cutler play? Ingram after a run that doesn't go as well as he thought it should have? Romo after his 3rd interception in a game?

Frustration happens, even Drew shows moments of it from time to time. The difference is what happens right after; if he gets up and goes at it again its not a big deal. If he Cam Newtons off to the side line and hangs his boudin for the world to see like a person that has quit on his team, then I see that as a problem.

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I'm with you on 99% of that except Jay Cutler. Dude is probably the most mediocre 100 million dollar qb in the league. Amazing arm but everything else is ok. I looked at his stats one day and couldn't believe how low some of his numbers were. At any rate, I just hope Baptiste doesn't turn out like Cutler where we are hoping that in year 9 things will click and he realizes his potential.

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You can visibly see an interception p1$$ drew Brees off, the difference is he doesn't slouch on the sideline because of it, he comes straight back out and puts that frustration into his game, slings the ball around makes defenders look silly at the same time

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After all these years jp, I knew it was only a matter of time before you came in the thread and dropped this line. Two things you can always count in...

Jp on early round draft picks contributing immediately and Euphoria calling power rankings gay.

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Sorry Danno. I thought I remembered you being a bit less than excited about picking a kicker a couple of years back.

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It was punters, I believe.

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HUGE difference between a punter and a kicker, especially if you only have 4 picks and numerous holes to fill.

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SJB is receiving praise from his coaches. Taking into account his limited time as an actual cornerback...

And McGriff and Saints coaches have worked to make sure that the soft-spoken Jean-Baptiste understands the pressure that goes along with playing the position for a team that has high expectations, and may require his contributions to reach them.

They’ve coached Jean-Baptiste “hard,” tough love mixed with the appropriate amount of praise.

“You’ve got to coach me hard,” Jean-Baptiste said. “You’ve got to coach everybody hard to get a point across. Me taking hard coaching won’t change a thing.”

But it helps that he has been receptive to it.

“It’s two things,” McGriff said. “How many corners are you going to have an opportunity to coach with his size? We work to get all of them ready for competition but a bigger guy like that has to play with a lot more fundamentals and technique because he’s the first guy that’s going to stand up. He’s the first guy that with his size, if he allows a receiver to get on top, now he becomes the challenger.

“So you have to really coach him up more and more on his fundamentals and his technique, and also because he’s a young guy. We’ve got to make him know that you’ve got to have a sense of urgency, technique is important and let’s learn to play fast and be consistent.”

For Jean-Baptiste, the tough love showed up in a positive way against the Titans.

“You see some signs of him not making the same mistake over and over again,” McGriff said. “So I would have to say his awareness is picking up, he’s very coachable and you can see him progressing forward. What would concern you is if he’s making the same mistakes over and over again.

“Our offense does a great job of showing us multiple formations and situations and that’s really going to help him because on game day, it’s going to slow down a little bit for him. Our tempo on offense is so good right now, the movement and formations are so great, that a lot of times in practice he’s out of whack.

“But then you see him in that last game, he played pretty good. Not to say that he’s ready yet, but you saw him get better from one preseason game to the next one.”

Jean-Baptiste understands that he has a long way to go to be the player he aspires to be, and recognizes his shortcomings.

“I’m still in a learning process, trying to get comfortable playing with new faces and with the defenses and all the checks that come along with it,” he said.

“With the plays, I think I’m coming along pretty well. I’m just trying to figure out all the checks and formations that come along with it so I can just go out there and play faster.

“Some days – depending on what kind of plays we’re running (on offense in practice) – it’s comfortable to me that I can show my physicality. But other plays that we’ll put in and we’ll install, and me trying to read the formations, I’m always hesitant and I can’t always show that (physicality).”

He’s shown enough to be rewarded with the snaps he has gotten, though. And attrition in the preseason has been an ally, giving Jean-Baptiste time on the field that he otherwise may not have received, in situations he otherwise may not have faced.

“Stan is doing a phenomenal job,” McGriff said. “What you see in Stan Jean-Baptiste is a big corner that has to continue to develop his fundamentals and technique. He’s shown lately some signs of awareness and that comes with getting more snaps, more experience. He has to keep playing to allow the game to slow down.

“I guarantee you right now, the game is extremely fast for him. But we have to remember he has not been playing corner his whole life. He’s been playing some receiver (as a senior in high school and part of his first season playing at Nebraska), so a lot of things are not going to natural to him.

“So the more reps, the better we can get him in his fundamentals and technique, the better he’s going to be. But he’s been doing a great job of progressing and staying on schedule.”

John DeShazier: Saints rookie Stanley Jean-Baptiste taking first-team reps at cornerback

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They're just making sure his self esteem doesn't go on IR...

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Ahh. My bad. Old brains don't always get things straight. Although I do have to say that excellent punters (like ours) are worth seven to twelve "projects" at least, too.

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Let's be fair. CB was a need going into the draft and the talent pool behind SJB was about ankle deep.

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But, not the only need...

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I think SJB is right where a physically-gifted 2nd round pick who made only 17 CB starts in college would be. Dude has been playing CB for, what, 24 months or thereabouts?

Actually, he's ahead of where I thought he'd be considering the ultra sharp learning curve for him. He already tackles better than a few starting CB's in this league, though he is still nowhere close to where he needs to be in field/ball awareness and technique. The tackling did surprise me, though.

Thinking way down the line here, but since SJB is a bit old for a rookie at 24, do y'all think he starts in the next year or 2, signs an extension, and eventually ends up as our free safety next to KVac in 5-7 years? SJB is a year older than KVac, BTW. Just my random "SQUIRREL!" moment.

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Oh, I understand the needs of the present. I jumped out half a decade where Byrd would be 33-35 years old and projecting a possibility for a move to FS for SJB at the end of his 2nd or beginning of his 3rd contract if he's still around with this team. It was my "look-a-SQUIRREL!" moment and nothing more. I am NOT insisting he move to FS now by any means.

He certainly and undoubtedly needs to develop as a corner now and ASAP for this Super Bowl-caliber 2014 team. I was (feebly) trying to project out 5-7 years based on SJB's age as a 24 year old rookie and the very real fact that there's a possibility of SJB not developing into a well-functioning starting CB.

I absolutely LOVE our safety situation now and 2-5 years from now, and I also love the fact that SJB does not need to start right away for this 2014 defense. It will only help him develop as a CB and learn this defensive scheme by marinating on the bench for a year. SJB is NOT a Practice Squad candidate as 31 other teams will pick him up with a quickness and he will have to eat one of the 53 spots.

This kid needs to become a Special Teams monster to overcome the ineptitude of McMahon's schematic idiocy. Kind of like how Malcolm Jenkins was on Special Teams as a rookie for our 2009 Super Bowl-winning awesome sauce bad@$$ team.

Great retort, by the way...

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Bingo...you nailed it.

SJB needs to get much, much meaner to be in Lott's neighborhood...that man played possessed.

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Whom else would you have taken? Kony Ealy?

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I wanted OC Marcus Martin, but I'm not an NFL GM either, not yet at least.

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Jarvis Landry was available. Would've given us a returner. Is a special teams monster, great blocker and perfect companion for Cooks to set up Saints WR core for years. Biggest, best hands in the draft paired with best playmaker and deep threat in the draft. So yea, Baptiste better be good-this year. Brees window is getting smaller. We want to win now.

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I wanted Martin also, Baptiste in the 2nd suprized me, Cook for a 1st and a 3rd was also. I still want to see how these 2 top picks work out. Although Cook looks good so far. Baptiste has did o.k..

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still on the board and i had rated higher than SJB

Allen Robinson
Travis Swanson
Louis Nix
Morgan Moses
Jarvis Landry
Jack Mewhort
C. J. Fiedorowicz

Marcus Martin i had ranked with SJB as top upside type of pick in the third for us. never could by into one year at center moved him ahead of Travis Swanson

just to name a few. i think the saints hand was forced when we traded the third. so reach and roll the dice on upside.

but heck lets see what we got going into year three

talent did thin out pretty good as some one pointed out earlier. But we could have gone with Dontae Johnson in the fourth.

I missed that one myself because i was pretty hammered by the time SJB was picked