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The Dude 09-07-2014 07:37 PM

Brees turnovers
 
What I take from this game is that both Brees and Payton need to accept the fact that for the first time in years we look to have an actual real threat running the ball. They do not need to rely strictly on Brees and the air game like they have in the past. Brees is getting older and the older he gets the smarter he has to play and the same goes with Payton and his play calling. Brees doesn't need to carry the weight of the entire offense on his shoulders anymore. Can he still do it on his own? Yes probably to some extent but why should he when we look to have a solid running game. There were at least 3 other times I saw Brees make some very scary and stupid throws that could have easily resulted in turnovers. He has shown in the past that he will force the ball in a panic at times.

I just hope to god Payton realizes what he has in the run game and uses it. You don't get points for style. He could have easily taken more time off the clock in that last drive too.

ClintSaints 09-07-2014 07:40 PM

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I would like to say that our corners apparently suck ballz. Our secondary was just atrocious today. Get Champ Bailey back in there, he couldn't have been as bad as this!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WhoDat!656 09-07-2014 07:45 PM

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Brees only had 1 turnover; Colston had the other.

That is all

The Dude 09-07-2014 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 608857)
Brees only had 1 turnover; Colston had the other.

That is all

We still didn't use the running game to our advantage.

WhoDat!656 09-07-2014 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 608870)
We still didn't use the running game to our advantage.

There was a lot that the Saints didn't do to our advantage.

saintsfan1976 09-07-2014 08:32 PM

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Brees was sharp for the most part today. A couple over/under-thrown balls but nothing atrocious. Good coverage on the endzone INT - Brees forced it.

More bothered by the defensive apathy than anything.

|Mitch| 09-07-2014 08:33 PM

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We should have continued to run the ball/screen in the second half,

Danno 09-07-2014 08:35 PM

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OFFENSE WASN'T THE DAMN PROBLEM!!!!!

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

NOLA54 09-07-2014 08:41 PM

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The offense contributed to the loss by not converting one of the first 2 field goals into 7 points & of course turning it over in the endzone didn't help either.

gulfgambler 09-07-2014 08:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ClintSaints (Post 608855)
I would like to say that our corners apparently suck ballz. Our secondary was just atrocious today. Get Champ Bailey back in there, he couldn't have been as bad as this!

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The secondary played according rryans scheme. the defensive line did not.

Danno 09-07-2014 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 608894)
The offense contributed to the loss by not converting one of the first 2 field goals into 7 points & of course turning it over in the endzone didn't help either.

New Orleans Offense - 34 points, 472 yards, 30 minutes TOP, 60% 3rd down conversion, 5 yards per carry, 8 yards per pass...

Sorry, but I really can't take anyone seriously that points a finger at the offense, especially when our defense gave up more yards than any game during the historically bad 2012 Spags season.

Offense - A minus
Defense - F

ScottF 09-07-2014 08:53 PM

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We all know Brees is going to force it a few times each game; that one just happened to cost us. Even if we get three there the games ends differently (albeit maybe the same outcome).

Brees was not perfect, but with what we have invested on defense right now, he shouldn't have to be.

Danno 09-07-2014 08:56 PM

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Brees and the offense was the only reason we didn't lose by 3 scores.

jnormand 09-07-2014 09:40 PM

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I didn't see the 3 safety look. Maybe I'm wrong. I just didn't see it.

What I did see was decent run defense and really bad pass coverage. I expected our defensive line to make more of an impact than what they did. One sack...from a backup?

I know we rarely blitzed but our defense was not very aggressive.

I'm not freakin out. There's no need to. But I hope RR gets that D back to what they were doing last year. That was terrible.

The Dude 09-07-2014 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 608894)
The offense contributed to the loss by not converting one of the first 2 field goals into 7 points & of course turning it over in the endzone didn't help either.

The offense is the ONLY reason we were in the slightest position to win. We weren't stopping them so all they could do is keep up with them offensively which they pretty much did. When an offense scores 30 points still loses the game how in the hell is it the offenses fault? Any other team in the league would not have had the slightest chance to win against the falcons if their defense performed as bad as ours did. We almost won in spite of them.

voodooido 09-07-2014 10:17 PM

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This could possibly be the most ignorant thread I have read. The offense had almost 600 yards. The defense gave up 600 yards. Any questions?

voodooido 09-07-2014 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 608870)
We still didn't use the running game to our advantage.

And I did not have a healthy bowel movement today. WHO CARES! They ran for 3tds and 150 yards. Drew threw for 335 yards and a td. What the hell were you watching????????? The defense made Matt look like Brees/Manning/Brady. That is why they lost. Why does some retard always blame Drew or Payton???????

saintsfan403 09-07-2014 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 608891)
OFFENSE WASN'T THE DAMN PROBLEM!!!!!

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

Sir, you're making too much sense for this thread

SaintLeonard 09-07-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 608891)
OFFENSE WASN'T THE DAMN PROBLEM!!!!!

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

After the Brees interception, people are choosing to ignore that ATL drove 80 yards down the field.

Yet some people want to blame that on Brees. I just don't understand that.

SaintLeonard 09-07-2014 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 608894)
The offense contributed to the loss by not converting one of the first 2 field goals into 7 points & of course turning it over in the endzone didn't help either.

Wait, so the offense has to take the blame for bad special teams?

Care to explain that one further?

CharityMike 09-07-2014 10:29 PM

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4everSaint 09-07-2014 10:39 PM

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I am Groot.

The Dude 09-07-2014 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 608922)
This could possibly be the most ignorant thread I have read. The offense had almost 600 yards. The defense gave up 600 yards. Any questions?

I think you are letting the emotion get to you a little bit. Nowhere did I say that our offense lost this game. I was trying to point out that we now have a running game and Brees doesn't have to do all that.
but guess I did a poor job of communicating that.


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