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Hold Roger Goodell to standard he set for Saints, and fire him: Editorial
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The NFL requires players to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League." The same standard should apply to Commissioner Roger Goodell.
And based on that standard, Mr. Goodell should be removed. The commissioner not only botched the punishment of former Ravens running back Ray Rice for punching his then-fiancée in an Atlantic City casino elevator, but his claim that the league wasn't given a video of the assault now seems false. The Associated Press reported Wednesday afternoon that a law enforcement official said he sent the video showing Mr. Rice knocking out fiancée Janay Palmer to an NFL executive five months ago. Mr. Goodell and the league office have insisted they didn't see the brutal punch until this week when TMZ released the video. But the law enforcement official allowed The Associated Press to listen to an April 9 voicemail from an NFL office number that confirmed the video had been received. According to the AP report, a woman expresses thanks and says, "You're right. It's terrible." When asked by AP about the voicemail Wednesday, league officials still said no one had seen the video before this week. Hours after fans began sharing the video posted by TMZ Monday, the Ravens cut the All Pro running back and the NFL made his suspension indefinite. It is impossible to believe no one at the NFL had seen the video before this week. The claim was already suspect before the AP's news report Wednesday afternoon. The league has vast resources and power, and it had been clear for months that Ms. Palmer -- who is now married to Mr. Rice -- had been knocked out in the elevator in February. Even without the elevator video, Mr. Goodell could have given Mr. Rice more than a two-game suspension. But wouldn't the league want to make sure it had all evidence in hand before deciding Mr. Rice's punishment? If Mr. Goodell actually wanted to punish Mr. Rice, that is. Mr. Goodell hires private investigators when he wants to dig up something on a player or team. That is what he did when the Vikings accused the Saints in 2010 of putting a defensive bounty on Brett Favre in the NFC championship game. Mr. Goodell was ruthless in his pursuit of the Saints. When Mr. Goodell suspended Coach Sean Payton for the entire 2012 season because of the bounty scandal, the commissioner essentially said it was because Mr. Payton should have done more. The Goodell statement from March 2012 reads in part: "The violations were compounded by the failure of Coach Payton to supervise the players and coaches and his affirmative decision starting in 2010 (a) not to inquire into the facts concerning the pay-for-performance/bounty program even though he was aware of the league's inquiries both in 2010 and 2012..." Similar language could apply to Mr. Goodell now. At best, he failed to get all the evidence available on Mr. Rice's assault of Ms. Palmer before he suspended him in late July for only two games. At worst, Mr. Goodell purposefully ignored the video and hasn't been truthful about the league's knowledge of its existence. Whichever it is, the league needs new leadership. The owners ought to want a better representative for the game, and the fans deserve it. Mr. Goodell sounded self-righteous when he handed down severe punishments for the Saints in 2012 -- punishment that was excessive and damaging. read more |
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Drew Brees on NFL's handling of Ray Rice incident: 'Everyone deserves to be held accountable for their actions'
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Its the old northeast bias all over again. They hold them to a different standard. The Saint's were never supposed to be good, much less win a championship so when Goodell got the chance to slam us, he did. But now that its one of the media darling teams, the Baltimore Ravens, they try and sweep it under the rug and only initially give Rice a slap on the wrist.
Goodell must go. |
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Owners are beginning to change their tune...
Roger Goodell, NFL taken to task as players react - ESPN Look at the tweets from players in the article... |
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Got to hand it to TMZ. They pulled the trigger at the right time. This is now an epic PR horror show for the NFL and RG's exit just got blocked.
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"ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun huh?" |
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Who would have though TMZ would take down Roger Goodell.
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Looks like The GateKeeper forgot to lock the back gate.
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Man, when Roddy White gets to hold the moral high ground against you, things are bad.
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Players should take a stand.
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Florio this morning really puts it on Goodell for Bountygate:
If he stays, how will Goodell effectively govern? | ProFootballTalk The 2012 witch hunt against the Saints, which levied harsh punishments for tough off-field talk with no clear nexus to illegal on-field conduct as a potential knee-jerk reaction to the concussion crisis, undermined Goodell’s credibility, especially in New Orleans. Strong words |
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Late words. Easy words to speak, after the fact.
Very few writers had the guts to stand up for Sean Payton in the fire. |
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i have a rope
i have a tree |
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Quote of the day was James Harrison - "aint no fun when da rabbit got da gun"
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Bye Felicia!
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I'm getting my hunting license. It's Roger Godhell season. :smile:
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FANS should take the stand.
Fire him, or a boycott. Unless you too want to cover for women beaters. |
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Karma is real!
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the NFL is obviously too cowardly to fire roger
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It's not the tape, it's that the tape adds to his shameful body of work of poor decision making and the unfairness and unevenness in which he throws around his weight.
He went to great lengths on the Starcaps incident. He and his army of lawyers pursued it to the ends of the earth, same with Bountygate. The Pats though, all the evidence was destroyed with a mild slap on the wrists. If this tape does not get out Rice is back on the field in 2 weeks. 2 weeks!!! It's sickening, more than "I got it wrong", more than just poor judgment. It's unacceptable on the same level as many of his other verdicts. |
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'Players should take a stand'
You mean pull together and present a united front? That's the NFLPA which is headed by Demaurice Smith who is presently trying to get drug testing standards lowered so players can get high and hide PED masking agents easier. He doesn't have the testicular fortitude to go after Goodell when he needs him so Gordon can play again this season and help his fantasy team. The NFLPA looked at the present CBA, saw an increase in compensation and signed. Never gave a thought to the other 80 pages and the absolute power they gave the commissioner. Greed created this, let them deal with it. |
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Put me on the list of people who honestly do not give a sh** what happens to Goodell. The Rice incident has nothing to do with the Saints in that nothing that comes out of this will affect us. We not get our #2 pick back, we will not get Payton back from that lost season, and we will not get our credibility back from those who do not understand that we were made an example of.
Goodell made $44 million last year. He will never want for anything. He will not face criminal charges. He f***** us, but we will never get restitution. I really could not care what happens to him next. |
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All I can say SF is that if that someone could have challenged RG on the way the Pats case was handled of destroying evidence and making it all go away there may have never been a bountygate or there would have been something that certainly was more just as the outcome. It matters. It matters because time and time again he makes these insane judgment calls that he is unqualified to make and it trashes the game. You never know when or where he will strike next.
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"Houston, we have a problem".
I'm not sure why I'm good with fundamentals. Maybe it's my background in the legal side of real estate..... idk, but you have to research back to the foundation and build forward to really know what you have. From my perspective the problem is not Goodell per se'. The problem is the system. Goodell is only a product of the system, and the system is rooted in despotism. Frankly, Goodell is a dictator with too much power. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. The NFL should come out next season with brand new contracts for every Coach and NFL Player that consists of a list of itemized rules, expectations, regulations, and guidelines & also precise and transparent reprimands for each offense. And, as with all things where humans are involved, there will always be grey lines. For grey areas there should be a panel (jury) made up of Owners, Coaches, and perhaps HOF players that decide the level of punishment for an undefined offense. This would take the power & responsibility (& most of the corruption) to judge & execute penalties out of the hands of the Commissioner (the despot). Right now there are no clear & consistent lines of punishment for breeches of NFL policies. The punishment is whatever the commissioner says it is. I'm sure Goodell likes that system because it makes him a supreme being.... or Stalin. Franchise owners and Coaches have the collective power to change this authoritative system. And I think they should. |
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He "damaged the shield".
Time to go... |
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But I get a certain, smug sense of happiness watching him squirm. If he would have just manned up and said he screwed up on Rice's suspension the first time and was adding 4 more games to it, everything would've been fine. But he was too arrogant to admit he was wrong. So this is a scandal of his own making. When he accused the Saints organization of hurting people for money and found them guilty of running a bounty program, he never felt he needed to show any proof. He named Vilma, Fujita and others by name and said they were evil and that they tried to intentionally injure other men, and we all should just take his word for it. They vehemently denied the allegations, they even swore under oath they didn't do the things Goodell said they did. They demanded to see his evidence, but he was so arrogant that he told them he didn't have to prove anything to them because he was the commissioner. A federal judge, who got to see all the evidence called Goodell's case against Vilma "baloney". But he still hid behind the collective bargaining agreement that gave him all the power. I don't wish any harm to the guy, but I wouldn't be honest if I didn't admit I'm kinda glad that he's being shown as a liar and that he will be remembered that way. I've had a smile on my face for a week now just thinking about it. I'm guess I'm just kinda petty that way. |
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Understand he gave Goodell a velvet portrait of Bobby McFerrin that sings "Don't Worry, Be Happy" when you pass in front of it... Ole Rodge was so impressed, he gave him a job... ;) |
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May the Karma Gods bend him over and thrust until they can thrust no more. |
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I am all for RG getting whatever he deserves; I'm not a turn the other cheek kind of guy either. My point was that no matter what happens, the Saints will not be made whole for what was taken away 2 years ago, and he will walk away a very rich man |
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RG is a ***** he needs to be "Bobitized" (John Wayne Bobbit that is)
While I don't feel sorry for Rice he has become the scapegoat. Why is he suspended indefinitely? According to the standards RG developed ( after the criticism of the 2 game suspension) Rice should only be suspended for 6 games. Once again RG and the NFL show how hypocritical they are. |
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