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rezburna 09-11-2014 02:28 PM

CB - Chris Houston
 
I noticed Chris Houston was still available via free agency. I feel like he could be a great #2 for our team. He's a man to man guy. Good speed. Would give us more depth. Somebody provide those in depth analytics and numbers. Where you at Oak and Danno?

SapperSaint 09-11-2014 02:31 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
I like CH. Makes me wonder why he's still in FA.

Saintaintso 09-11-2014 03:02 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Make it happen Loomis.

Danno 09-11-2014 03:23 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Not opposed to kicking the tires, but I remember discussing him last year and the consensus was his tank is empty

Utah_Saint 09-11-2014 03:29 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
He ranked 96th out of 110 corners last season.
I read quite a few Lions fans that not only wanted him gone but slowly tortured on his way out.

Rugby Saint II 09-11-2014 03:32 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 609917)
He ranked 96th out of 110 corners last season.
I read quite a few Lions fans that not only wanted him gone but slowly tortured on his way out.

Well, in that case keep looking for some young guns.

SapperSaint 09-11-2014 03:33 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Speaking of Lions fans, wheres SloMo?

K Major 09-11-2014 04:25 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 609919)
Well, in that case keep looking for some young guns.

+1. I'm tired of the "almost done guys". Gotta continue to develop young talent and also through the draft.

dizzle88 09-11-2014 04:29 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 609924)
+1. I'm tired of the "almost done guys". Gotta continue to develop young talent and also through the draft.

Cornerback is most likely going to be addressed in the draft, it is a position of need, unless we can get someone like Joe Haden in free agency

Cornerback and Linebacker are now our two biggest needs to address

Utah_Saint 09-11-2014 05:12 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 609925)

Cornerback and Linebacker are now our two biggest needs to address

Right after oline

dizzle88 09-11-2014 05:26 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 609929)
Right after oline

I wouldn't say O line is an immediate need anymore, no sacks allowed all preseason and they performed pretty well last week, drew had plenty of time in the pocket, not to mention all our RB's had success

lynwood 09-11-2014 05:35 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Countdown to Draft Day is On!

jnormand 09-11-2014 05:39 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 609937)
Countdown to Draft Day is On!

Cmon Lynny! You, me and the rest of us know we aren't gonna find a great corner with the 32nd pick of the first round! ;-)

saintsfan1976 09-11-2014 06:14 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 609929)
Right after oline

WAY before O line

Danno 09-11-2014 07:36 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 609925)
Cornerback is most likely going to be addressed in the draft, it is a position of need, unless we can get someone like Joe Haden in free agency

Cornerback and Linebacker are now our two biggest needs to address


So have we given up on Jean Baptiste, Fortt and Powell already?

dizzle88 09-11-2014 07:46 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 609957)
So have we given up on Jean Baptiste, Fortt and Powell already?

Not at all, but it's best to think ahead just incase those guys don't pan out the way the coaches expected

Those guys might come in and hit the ground running, but it wouldn't be the first time some defensive players with some hype failed to make the team/an impact

Chip Vaughn and Stanley Arnoux immediatedly come to mind from that terrific Wake Forest defense

Danno 09-11-2014 07:53 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 609958)
Not at all, but it's best to think ahead just incase those guys don't pan out the way the coaches expected

Agreed, and I'd probably rank current needs similarly...
OLB (2)-Gotta get a stud at SAM and WILL
ILB (2)-Lofton and Hawthorne are now merely servicable
CB-in case SJB is a bust
OC-In case Lelito doesn't develop
WR-Colston's gotta run out of gas sooner or later
OG-Age is catching up to our pro-bowlers

Jack Vegas 09-11-2014 07:58 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Washed up, no thanks

Utah_Saint 09-11-2014 08:01 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 609934)
I wouldn't say O line is an immediate need anymore, no sacks allowed all preseason and they performed pretty well last week, drew had plenty of time in the pocket, not to mention all our RB's had success

I disagree and here's my reasoning...

The CB and Linebackers may not be the best but they got us into the playoffs last season. And we have depth at both positions. There have been several people on here that have suggested Humber should start ahead of Hawthorne. Corey White ended up starting after being 4th on the depth chart. These same personnel made up the 2nd best pass defense and the 4th best defense overall in both yardage and scoring. They may not be top 5 again this season but they should be close. And they're young enough, they'll be back next season.

On the other hand...

We have NO depth at any offensive line position. In the preseason Bryce Harris was bad and Senio Kelemete was terrible. If one of the Big Uglies goes down for any length of time, the Saints are hosed for the season. Only one of the 5 starters is under 30. Even if they do make it through this season, how many more seasons will they last? The Saints will have to replace 4 over the next few years and they're going to be pretty cash strapped to try to build almost an entire line through free agency.

Just my 2¢.

Danno 09-11-2014 08:33 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 609971)
I disagree and here's my reasoning...

The CB and Linebackers may not be the best but they got us into the playoffs last season. And we have depth at both positions. There have been several people on here that have suggested Humber should start ahead of Hawthorne. Corey White ended up starting after being 4th on the depth chart. These same personnel made up the 2nd best pass defense and the 4th best defense overall in both yardage and scoring. They may not be top 5 again this season but they should be close. And they're young enough, they'll be back next season.

On the other hand...

We have NO depth at any offensive line position. In the preseason Bryce Harris was bad and Senio Kelemete was terrible. If one of the Big Uglies goes down for any length of time, the Saints are hosed for the season. Only one of the 5 starters is under 30. Even if they do make it through this season, how many more seasons will they last? The Saints will have to replace 4 over the next few years and they're going to be pretty cash strapped to try to build almost an entire line through free agency.

Just my 2¢.

I can buy that. Its not an immediate need but it is a need at the most important position group on the team

Saintaintso 09-12-2014 04:46 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Would you give a 1st for tyrann ? Or tampas David ? Or Suh that may eradicate the need for a corner if we could get immense pressure

NonieT 09-12-2014 05:51 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Why are we looking at outside CBs. What about the CB we just cut, Rod Sweeting? Payton said he didn't get enough snaps to evaluate him.

rezburna 09-12-2014 05:57 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
I'd prefer a proven commodity.

Danno 09-12-2014 06:10 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
I firmly believe that if a CB is on the street, its probably because he's just not that good.

Its the most coveted position on defense and every team is in desperate need of them. For 32 teams to pass on him says a ton.

I'm guessing Loomis and company have a list of CB's they like if we need one, and they've shown time and time again they aren't afraid to sign on or claim one off of someone's practice squad.

I think what we have is as good as it gets for 2014. No one sitting on their couch today is as good as Lewis, Robinson, White, or Dixon.

If we needed more depth we'd just bring Sweeting back.

WillSaints81 09-12-2014 10:17 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
I thought Houston did okay last year against most of the receivers outside the five of the big six (Marshall was shut down in Ford or kept out of the ez, Thomas also probably wouldn't burn him as his stats are inflated by Manning), especially at home.

jeanpierre 09-12-2014 10:33 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
We could have Aeneas Williams, Mike Haynes and Rod Woodson in their primes, rotating, and it wouldn't matter with the pass rush we got from Galette and Jordan...

Yeah, White has ball location issues, but he made some pretty da*n good plays, especially breaking up a two-man bubble screen by himself - I don't get all the venom toward the small-school 5th round pick...

We've got good corners, what we need and aren't likely to find walking the street are pass rushers; and we surely shouldn't be giving contract extensions for the pass rush we saw in Atlanta...

The Dude 09-12-2014 10:35 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
We rarely ever bring in anyone worth a damn after we create our final roster. Usually sign a scrub or two back and forth from the practice squad but I can't remember the last time we got anyone worth a damn in a trade or in free agency after the season started.

ScottF 09-13-2014 08:50 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 610226)
We rarely ever bring in anyone worth a damn after we create our final roster. Usually sign a scrub or two back and forth from the practice squad but I can't remember the last time we got anyone worth a damn in a trade or in free agency after the season started.

Well, how could we?
Pretty slim chance of a cut player from another team making an impact, and no one makes trades. Leaves a PS player maybe getting a chance (Armstead)

lee909 09-13-2014 09:05 PM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Rafael Bush was signed after teams announced the final rosters.

NonieT 09-14-2014 06:18 AM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 610331)
Well, how could we?
Pretty slim chance of a cut player from another team making an impact, and no one makes trades. Leaves a PS player maybe getting a chance (Armstead)

Armstead was never on the practice squad.

Danno 09-14-2014 07:35 AM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 610358)
Armstead was never on the practice squad.

True, the only practice squadders I recall developing into quality players are Bush, Moore (although I think we claimed him from the Browns PS), and maybe Humber?

homerj07 09-14-2014 09:05 AM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Hell I would bring in a little old lady off the street if I thought it would help.

NonieT 09-14-2014 09:28 AM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 610362)
True, the only practice squadders I recall developing into quality players are Bush, Moore (although I think we claimed him from the Browns PS), and maybe Humber?

Whose practice squad was Humber on?

Danno 09-14-2014 09:37 AM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 610384)
Whose practice squad was Humber on?

No ones. He was waived from IR during his 2nd season by the Colts and we picked him up 3 weeks later.

ScottF 09-14-2014 10:27 AM

Re: CB - Chris Houston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 610358)
Armstead was never on the practice squad.

True- I guess I was thinking inactive list.


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