Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-27-2014, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Our offense is ranked: 6th 26 points average; 3rd 421 yards average; 5th 281 yards passing average; 6th 140 yards rushing

Our defense is ranked: 20th 24 points average; 24th 379 total yards; 29th 278 yards passing; 11th 101 yards rushing ( I had no idea we were that good against the run)

That's why we have concerns with the defense and not the offense; offense can't get much better, but the defense is pretty horrible...

There are only three defensive stats that really matter:

Points

3rd down percentage

Turnovers

If the Saints defense takes care of these three, which are all interrelated, everything will be fine.

Hopefully simplifying the defense will contribute to this.

SFIAH

|Mitch| · 09-27-2014, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs.

For the sake of argument, would we have to rely on a game closing 1st down with a better defense?

Danno · 09-27-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs.

Yes, numbers can be misleading, but in this case they're not.

Danno · 09-27-2014, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

Dallas is going to destroy our secondary.

...and what makes you think that? now our defense hasnt played up to expectations however, they're not that sorry. i understand YOU all have your problems with our defense but my my concerns is with our offense. drew has thrown int's against pretty good defenses and we stalled in cruicial parts of the game where we needed a 1st down or 2 to finish off the opposing team however, i dont see anyone on here talking about that. its only defense, defense, defense. our offense put up points dont get me wrong but if you score 13 points in the 1st qtr and dont score anymore till the 12 min mark of the 4th, that raise a great deal of concern for me..

You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS.

To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent.

Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record?

Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic.

You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-27-2014, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS.

To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent.

Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record?

Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic.

You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right?

While I agree that the defense has been the bulk of the issue, the offense doesn't get a free pass. The Saints offense has three jobs:

1. Score points (DUH!)
2. Do not turn over the ball. The team is 26-0 under Payton when the team does not turn the ball over.
3. Manage the 4 minute offense at the end of the game. There is a difference between scoring, and scoring with little or no time left.

Note this has absolutely nothing to do with the defense.

Now let's analyze and grade the first two games:

1. Grade: A- 34 and 24 on the road isn't bad.

2. D+ at best. The Atlanta game had a red zone interception and a game killing fumble. The Cleveland game had a pick-6

3. C-. The good was marching the ball down and scoring each time. The not so good was leaving too much time each time for a response.

Both sides of the Saints needs to play complementary football. The defense needs to make 3rd down plays, get turnovers, and keep the scoring reasonable (like the 19 PPG last year). The offense needs to score, not give the ball away, and manage the clock in the 4th quarter.

Each of the six categories above were much improved last week. We just need to keep it up.

SFIAH

DemonicSaint · 09-27-2014, 03:50 PM

Yikes, I remember last year when people were just hoping for a middle of the pack defense. I'm positive that this defense will get back on track, play like they did last year.

lol.

Danno · 09-27-2014, 07:51 PM

Let's analyze the defense in the 1st two games.
F, F and F

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-27-2014, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Let's analyze the defense in the 1st two games.
F, F and F

I'm going to reiterate a two points:

1. The job of the offense has nothing to do with the defense.

2. I was only pointing out that the offense didn't play a perfect game in either contest.

Even with the defense playing terrible, a clean game with no turnovers by the offense would have us 3-0. This is pretty much independent of the defensive play. So even if the blame is allocated 95% defense, 5% offense, the offense carries at least some share of the blame.

That is all.

SFIAH

jeanpierre · 09-28-2014, 08:40 AM

Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Mardigras9 · 09-29-2014, 09:16 AM

Well so much for that. Let's strip it back to fundamentals and go from there for now.

09-27-2014, 05:30 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Our offense is ranked: 6th 26 points average; 3rd 421 yards average; 5th 281 yards passing average; 6th 140 yards rushing Our defense is ranked: 20th 24 points average; 24th 379 total yards; 29th 278 yards passing; 11th 101 yards rushing ( I had no idea we were that good against the run) That's why we have concerns with the defense and not the offense; offense can't get much better, but the defense is pretty horrible... There are only three defensive stats that really matter: Points 3rd down percentage Turnovers If the Saints defense takes care of these three, which are all interrelated, everything will be fine. Hopefully simplifying the defense will contribute to this. SFIAH \|Mitch\| and frydaddy like this.

09-27-2014, 03:33 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs. For the sake of argument, would we have to rely on a game closing 1st down with a better defense?

09-27-2014, 03:34 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx numbers can be misleading. you cant throw redzone int's, pick 6's, drop passes and dont get a potential game closing 1st down and think that's not a problem or shouldn't pose some concern. imjs. Yes, numbers can be misleading, but in this case they're not.

09-27-2014, 03:42 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by teddybarexxx Dallas is going to destroy our secondary. ...and what makes you think that? now our defense hasnt played up to expectations however, they're not that sorry. i understand YOU all have your problems with our defense but my my concerns is with our offense. drew has thrown int's against pretty good defenses and we stalled in cruicial parts of the game where we needed a 1st down or 2 to finish off the opposing team however, i dont see anyone on here talking about that. its only defense, defense, defense. our offense put up points dont get me wrong but if you score 13 points in the 1st qtr and dont score anymore till the 12 min mark of the 4th, that raise a great deal of concern for me.. You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS. To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent. Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record? Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic. You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right?

09-27-2014, 05:51 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by Danno You know eventually the offense is gonna have a bad day and I'm 100% sure you're gonna try some "I told you so" BS. To this day our offense has played good to spectacular. Our defense has played from absolutely horrible to decent. Why in the world are you still stuck on blaming the offense for our 1-2 record? Why? I try to keep an open mind about things because I'm not perfect, but your obsession with our offense being the problem defies any and all logic. You do know that Offense is when we have the ball, and defense is when the other team has the ball... right? While I agree that the defense has been the bulk of the issue, the offense doesn't get a free pass. The Saints offense has three jobs: 1. Score points (DUH!) 2. Do not turn over the ball. The team is 26-0 under Payton when the team does not turn the ball over. 3. Manage the 4 minute offense at the end of the game. There is a difference between scoring, and scoring with little or no time left. Note this has absolutely nothing to do with the defense. Now let's analyze and grade the first two games: 1. Grade: A- 34 and 24 on the road isn't bad. 2. D+ at best. The Atlanta game had a red zone interception and a game killing fumble. The Cleveland game had a pick-6 3. C-. The good was marching the ball down and scoring each time. The not so good was leaving too much time each time for a response. Both sides of the Saints needs to play complementary football. The defense needs to make 3rd down plays, get turnovers, and keep the scoring reasonable (like the 19 PPG last year). The offense needs to score, not give the ball away, and manage the clock in the 4th quarter. Each of the six categories above were much improved last week. We just need to keep it up. SFIAH
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09-27-2014, 03:50 PM	#6
DemonicSaint Registered Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 81	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Yikes, I remember last year when people were just hoping for a middle of the pack defense. I'm positive that this defense will get back on track, play like they did last year. lol. SaintFanInATLHELL, mleg1972 and frydaddy like this.

09-27-2014, 07:51 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Let's analyze the defense in the 1st two games. F, F and F

09-27-2014, 08:30 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Originally Posted by Danno Let's analyze the defense in the 1st two games. F, F and F I'm going to reiterate a two points: 1. The job of the offense has nothing to do with the defense. 2. I was only pointing out that the offense didn't play a perfect game in either contest. Even with the defense playing terrible, a clean game with no turnovers by the offense would have us 3-0. This is pretty much independent of the defensive play. So even if the blame is allocated 95% defense, 5% offense, the offense carries at least some share of the blame. That is all. SFIAH

09-28-2014, 08:40 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Keep It Simple, Stupid. K Major likes this.

09-29-2014, 09:16 AM	#10
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Rob Ryan: I’m not going to screw it up Well so much for that. Let's strip it back to fundamentals and go from there for now. Ashley likes this.

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