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Euphoria 09-28-2014 09:10 PM

DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
I guess its time to start looking...

jeanpierre 09-28-2014 09:16 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Always looking...

blackangold 09-28-2014 10:50 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Not sure the draft matters. This team has a ton of talent that is under-performing whats the point on getting more talent that will under perform?

Payton needs to stop calling plays, and Rob Ryan might need to go. Seems harsh but we are on pace to be worse than the 2012 team and we are in the "easy" part of the schedule.

WillSaints81 09-28-2014 11:40 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Losing Vilma hurt.

Halo 09-28-2014 11:44 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 614752)
Losing Vilma hurt.

NOT replacing him hurt just as bad as losing him.
We didn't do anything to replace him with another leader.... from what I can tell.

billyt81 09-28-2014 11:54 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Todd Gurley....since it looks like we could be drafting in the top 5

|Mitch| 09-29-2014 12:15 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
I think we really need to grab the best LB we can in the first round... Preferably one with above average speed...

hagan714 09-29-2014 12:22 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 614774)
I think we really need to grab the best LB we can in the first round... Preferably one with above average speed...

Yeah the saints will draft a fast ILB and by the time starts he will be playing outside.

The three i am watching are

A.J Johnson (ILB Tennessee)
Benardrick McKinney, MLB, Mississippi State
Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford

|Mitch| 09-29-2014 12:26 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 614779)
Benardrick McKinney, MLB, Mississippi State

6'5" 240+; I bet he could limit some of those passes across the middle as big as he is...

MarchingOn 09-29-2014 12:50 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
The key to beating us has been the same for a while now: run and run some more and don't forget to run (especially right up the middle). We need ILBs who don't get caught up in the trash or overrunning plays. Instinctive and fast. Don't care if they're "too small" if they can at least get them and tackle someone.

lee909 09-29-2014 12:51 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
We need two ILB and should jump at Perryman if the chance is there. Hits hard and often, leads the defense, good but not great in coverage. He isn't slow but not a sideline to sideline player.

foreverfan 10-01-2014 07:02 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
I changed my signature.

s2kguy 10-01-2014 07:21 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Thoughts on the duo of Vic Beasley and Stephone Anthony from Clemson?

Danno 10-01-2014 07:37 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
We won't be picking in the top 20, much less the top 10

halloween 65 10-01-2014 08:28 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
If and this is a big if, we do get a stud ILB, I would like him paired with Lofton,I know Lofton is not a cover lb. but he is he!! in the middle and has enough range for a 3-4 ILB, up front we need another true 3-4 NT, same wish list for me as last year pretty much. Shore up the front 7 then let the backfield play bump and run, then Byrd looks like he did in Buffalo.

Danno 10-01-2014 09:09 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
I wish we could have traded up for CJ Mosley. He would have been perfect

Utah_Saint 10-01-2014 09:31 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 615505)
I wish we could have traded up for CJ Mosley. He would have been perfect

Yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.

hagan714 10-02-2014 02:32 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
If the season ended today pick # 10

Round 1 -

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

trade back a few spots and get some picks and take

Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
.

Torn between the two.

Round 2 - Benardrick McKinney, MLB, Mississippi State

if you gotta trade back into 1 you do it
if not Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford would be a nice pick

Round 3 - A.J Johnson, ILB Tennessee

probably the best pure ILB but upside? that is why i think he will be here.

Round 4 - Jared Roberts K Colorado State

gotta stop playing in the reject pile. can he handle the jump to the NFL?

Round 5 - Dominique Brown RB Louisville

he is quick with reads, blocks well and he can catch. big quick and nothing fancy no non sense type of RB

Round 6 - Vince Mayle WR Washington State

not a burner but great quickness in and out of cuts. got some hops too

Round 7 - Xavier Williams, DT, Northern Iowa

Big, strong, great leverage and has some quickness to him for such a big boy


Will he come out? wild card this year goes to.
Terrance Smith**, ILB/OLB, Florida State
and
Kris Frost, ILB Auburn
If not on the radar for next year

Barry from MS 10-02-2014 02:58 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
I don't think I can stomach drafting yet another DB (CB or S) in the 1st and 2nd rounds. I posted this somewhere else, but last LB'er drafted in first 2 rounds was Mark Fields in 19-freakin-95. We need a fast, athletic MLB or two ASAP. So...

McKinney, Mississippi State. HAIL STATE!

dizzle88 10-02-2014 03:40 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615607)
If the season ended today pick # 10

Round 1 -

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

trade back a few spots and get some picks and take

Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
.

Torn between the two.

Round 2 - Benardrick McKinney, MLB, Mississippi State

if you gotta trade back into 1 you do it
if not Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford would be a nice pick

Round 3 - A.J Johnson, ILB Tennessee

probably the best pure ILB but upside? that is why i think he will be here.

Round 4 - Jared Roberts K Colorado State

gotta stop playing in the reject pile. can he handle the jump to the NFL?

Round 5 - Dominique Brown RB Louisville

he is quick with reads, blocks well and he can catch. big quick and nothing fancy no non sense type of RB

Round 6 - Vince Mayle WR Washington State

not a burner but great quickness in and out of cuts. got some hops too

Round 7 - Xavier Williams, DT, Northern Iowa

Big, strong, great leverage and has some quickness to him for such a big boy


Will he come out? wild card this year goes to.
Terrance Smith**, ILB/OLB, Florida State
and
Kris Frost, ILB Auburn
If not on the radar for next year

I'm uneasy when it comes to Florida state CB's, all we heard from P-Roblem and Xavier Rhodes was how great they will be in press man coverage

I haven't heard much of Rhodes but P-rob is going to be a free agent that nobody wants at this current pace

First rounder for him.....wow

Utah_Saint 10-02-2014 04:34 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615607)
If the season ended today pick # 10

Round 1 -

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

trade back a few spots and get some picks and take

Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
.

Torn between the two.

Round 2 - Benardrick McKinney, MLB, Mississippi State

if you gotta trade back into 1 you do it
if not Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford would be a nice pick

Round 3 - A.J Johnson, ILB Tennessee

probably the best pure ILB but upside? that is why i think he will be here.

Round 4 - Jared Roberts K Colorado State

gotta stop playing in the reject pile. can he handle the jump to the NFL?

Round 5 - Dominique Brown RB Louisville

he is quick with reads, blocks well and he can catch. big quick and nothing fancy no non sense type of RB

Round 6 - Vince Mayle WR Washington State

not a burner but great quickness in and out of cuts. got some hops too

Round 7 - Xavier Williams, DT, Northern Iowa

Big, strong, great leverage and has some quickness to him for such a big boy


Will he come out? wild card this year goes to.
Terrance Smith**, ILB/OLB, Florida State
and
Kris Frost, ILB Auburn
If not on the radar for next year

Gotta get some offensive linemen.

We're going to need several starters over just a few years time. That'll probably be too much to handle through free agency.

lee909 10-02-2014 06:07 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Well the mocks are back,yes its too early but im very very bored
Fanspeak's On the Clock NFL Mock Draft Simulator

So


8: R1P8
DE RANDY GREGORY
NEBRASKA

40: R2P8
OLB BENARDRICK MCKINNEY
MISSISSIPPI STATE

72: R3P8
RB MIKE DAVIS
SOUTH CAROLINA

104: R4P8
ILB A.J. JOHNSON
TENNESSEE

136: R5P8
OT DARYL WILLIAMS
OKLAHOMA

168: R6P8
OT AUSTIN SHEPHERD
ALABAMA

200: R7P8
DE RAY DREW
GEORGIA

jeanpierre 10-03-2014 06:03 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 614756)
NOT replacing him hurt...

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hagan714 10-03-2014 07:01 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 615629)
Gotta get some offensive linemen.

We're going to need several starters over just a few years time. That'll probably be too much to handle through free agency.

Easily the most versatile offensive lineman in this years draft?

trade up
1) Cedric Ogbuhei, OT, Texas A&M - starting right guard as a sophomore, right tackle last year and this year left tackle so far he has done well at all 3.

settling for second best?

pick were we are at
2) Brandon Scherff Iowa ROT/OG

trade down
3)Lael Collins LSU ROT

late rounder 6-7 so far

Mitch Morse ROT Missouri - needs some work in the lower body but he has good balance, a solid punch and is quick of the ball. a functional athlete that uses his head and attitude to get the job done. another Zac?

not crazy with these two so far.
136: R5P8
OT DARYL WILLIAMS
OKLAHOMA

168: R6P8
OT AUSTIN SHEPHERD
ALABAMA

Danno 10-03-2014 07:02 PM

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Wow, draft talk in week 5. This site is becoming pathetic.

hagan714 10-03-2014 07:07 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
better to look now when they are playing than wait till the beauty show to make up your mind. that is the way i watch college football. looking for picks.

Danno 10-03-2014 07:09 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615870)
better to look now when they are playing than wait till the beauty show to make up your mind. that is the way i watch college football. looking for picks.


What?

That makes absolutely no sense at all. WTF does that mean?

hagan714 10-03-2014 07:15 PM

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better to look now when they are playing - watch the game

than wait till the beauty show - combine is a beauty show and has little to do with playing football

that is the way i watch college football - looking for picks.

I watch a ton of college football looking at players during the season.

Utah_Saint 10-03-2014 07:22 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615867)
Easily the most versatile offensive lineman in this years draft?

TRADE UP
1) Cedric Ogbuhei, OT, Texas A&M - starting right guard as a sophomore, right tackle last year and this year left tackle so far he has done well at all 3.

I like it. Keep the faith my friend.

Utah_Saint 10-03-2014 07:24 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 615868)
Wow, draft talk in week 5. This site is becoming pathetic.

To be fair, draft watch is hagans thing. I think he watches it all season whether the Saints are doing well or not.

I rely on hagan and Pierre and a couple others for all my pre draft info.

jeanpierre 10-03-2014 08:38 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 615871)
What?

That makes absolutely no sense at all. WTF does that mean?

It means exactly what it says; see 'em playing ball and incorporating that in the evaluation process...

jeanpierre 10-03-2014 10:30 PM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
When I read, listen to commentary regarding building good teams, one theme that resonates with me is from baseball people like Peter Gammons and Harold Reynolds where they comment on how strong a team is up the middle (C, 2B, SS, CF)...

I translate that theme to football and look at QB, C, also maybe a G to the other side of the ball for a team to include NT, ILB, FS (and SS in Cover 2's)...

We've really neglected those positions in the draft and have addressed it poorly in Free Agency, though there was nothing poor in the exception of Byrd's deal, with that jury now coming back with what Bills fans warned us...

The ILB signings the past couple years were veterans getting up in age and were two down LBers at best, and that's useless now with teams passing as much on 1st down as they do on third down; and we've delayed salary cap hits compounding our problems...

We've finally made some draft picks to meet the linebacker needs of the move to a 34 defense, and though mid/late round picks, they look to be the part and could be moved to the ILB once the dead money contracts of Lofton, Hawthorne fall off the books...

But maybe they need to get healthy?!? (note: the skeptic in me thinks this is another unsubstantiated, uncorroborated Payton Redshirt Move to get not yet ready for prime time players physically, mentally up to speed)

Now, I had banged the drum real hard for Ogletree and Attaochu in the past two drafts so we could complement a very solid front three group and get the front seven to a level that would be effective on its own and to take the heat off the defensive backfield, allowing DBs more time to read and move in to attack and make turnovers...

Really wanted to see a high draft pick (R1, R2, R3) commitments that could come in with youth, vigor, speed, strength and contribute immediately and proved impact, spark...

If a HOF WR, LT falls to us in the draft, you draft 'em; but play 'em right away so they can learn, make mistakes, get even better; trade the aged veteran and get depth on the back end...

So if my list of prospects is skewed to LB, OL, QB, S - now you'll know why...

hagan714 10-04-2014 05:16 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 615879)
To be fair, draft watch is hagans thing. I think he watches it all season whether the Saints are doing well or not.

I rely on hagan and Pierre and a couple others for all my pre draft info.


it is. always has been. lost more than a few girl friends over football :)

when college starts games are on 7 days a week around this house. a few sling boxes with a few friends and we access to all the games. we actual lend a hand scouting for a friend that does scouting for a living. you get more wth are you thinking? than nice find! :rolleyes: And no he does not give us insight to his final evals. violation of his job contract.

System today almost always trumps talent. you only get a handful of players that can play in any system and they can be found through out the draft. If you can find them. then there is selling them to the front office. that is a whole different can of worms. some funny stories for sure

sub contracted to watch football aint bad way to get some loose pocket change ;) and it is pocket change, your wallet does not get fat for sure. but it does get you all the sport channels on cable and dish.

It aint a science and i always am looking for leads and view points that may send in the right direction. more than once has a member here hit the nail on the head about a player and saw what no one else saw. gotta have an open mind.

we never lose the faith! :bng:

jeanpierre 10-05-2014 08:12 AM

Re: DRAFT: Who are the top 10 prospects so far?
 
Defensive Prospects I'm liking...

DE/DT Arik Armstead, 6-7/292, Jr, Oregon

Really, really like this guy's size, speed; ideally suited to play 34 end; would love to see us take him and move Hicks into a rotation position between end and nose tackle keeping those big boys fresh all game...


LB Zach Hodges, 6-2/230, Sr, Harvard

Great Motor; has great acceleration to complement his short area burst; while stamina is questioned, he plays for Harvard so it's not like he's got depth are other players to complement him...


CB Marcus Peters, 6-0/198, Jr, Washington

Playmaker with good size/strength combination; we may be taking another cornerback early...

LB Benardrick McKinney, 6-4/245, Jr, Mississippi St

Has the athleticism to play three downs; but keep thinking of a certain linebacker we selected form Illinois who was willing to play his balls off but failed to grasp the game; am watching his development, progression very closely...


LB Kris Frost, 6-2/238, rJr, Auburn

Linebacker showing instincts and 3 down athletic ability - hmmm; better keep an eye on this one...


CB Lorenzo Doss, 5-11/189, Jr, Tulane

Yeah, I'm a Homer, but this kid can play and he's accomplished alot on some not-yet-ready-for-primetime Tulane teams...


CB Jalen Collins, 6-1/195, rJr, LSU

His athleticism and size are great; can he improve his technique to become a pro bowl corner?!? Only concern is that he's another Morris Claiborne...


LB Derrick Malone, 6-2/216, rSr, Oregon

Smart guy who's continued to improve and surge; needs to put on some pounds and show no drop off in quickness...

NT Danny Shelton, 6-2/332, Sr, Washington

A smart defensive tackle, he may better suited to a 43 3 Tech, but the guy can play and he could step right in should Hicks not be re-signable...


FS Justin Cox, 6-2/190, Sr, Mississippi State

Good size, length; has shown ball hawk instincts; this is a guy to target with a fourth round pick...


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