The dumbest fake punt in the history of dumb fake punts

burningmetal · 09-29-2014, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Y'all do realize, it's actually Greg McMahon's job with the special teams plays and execution?

That piss poor play is pretty much his fault...

The question is why would Payton want to take the ball out of Drew's hands on 4th and nine...

Dude, you're not going to fool a single person into believing that wasn't Payton's design and call. Special teams coaches handle the normal ST related things. Any kind of trick play other than something generic like a reverse is going to have the offensive play caller, be it the head coach or the OC, running that play. And even if it were Mcmahon's play, Payton obviously approved of it. It was stupid, and there is no defense having let it happen.

Barry from MS · 09-29-2014, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Dude, you're not going to fool a single person into believing that wasn't Payton's design and call. Special teams coaches handle the normal ST related things. Any kind of trick play other than something generic like a reverse is going to have the offensive play caller, be it the head coach or the OC, running that play. And even if it were Mcmahon's play, Payton obviously approved of it. It was stupid, and there is no defense having let it happen.

Design of a special teams play comes from the special teams coordinator, Greg McMahon. You think that Payton designs plays for the special teams when he does all the offensive play designs and calls? What would be the point of having a special teams coordinator then?

Greg McMahon the Gigantic Idiot would have recommended that play to Payton for that situation, and Payton signed off on that idiocy to use in that situation. Both need the blame for that one...Greg the Moron for design plus recommended that stupidity & Sean Payton for approving it to use.

This play ranks up there with AB's backwards pass in Jacksonville, but that was on AB. He turned that play into pure idiocy...last night's idiocy was the incompetence of Greg the Moron and the lack of judgement by Sean Payton.

burningmetal · 09-30-2014, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Design of a special teams play comes from the special teams coordinator, Greg McMahon. You think that Payton designs plays for the special teams when he does all the offensive play designs and calls? What would be the point of having a special teams coordinator then?

Greg McMahon the Gigantic Idiot would have recommended that play to Payton for that situation, and Payton signed off on that idiocy to use in that situation. Both need the blame for that one...Greg the Moron for design plus recommended that stupidity & Sean Payton for approving it to use.

This play ranks up there with AB's backwards pass in Jacksonville, but that was on AB. He turned that play into pure idiocy...last night's idiocy was the incompetence of Greg the Moron and the lack of judgement by Sean Payton.

It's an offensive play. I thought I was pretty clear in explaining my point. If you're going to run a play that is designed to pick up yards on a 4th down (far different from running back a punt or kick), then who is going to design that play? You have you're special teams guys in there, but that is a not a situation you leave up to your ST Coordinator to come up with. That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're wrong.

But as I said, it doesn't really matter who came up with the idea, because the head coach obviously signed off on it. And we can all agree that it was mind blowingly stupid.

Barry from MS · 09-30-2014, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It's an offensive play. I thought I was pretty clear in explaining my point. If you're going to run a play that is designed to pick up yards on a 4th down (far different from running back a punt or kick), then who is going to design that play? You have you're special teams guys in there, but that is a not a situation you leave up to your ST Coordinator to come up with. That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're wrong.

But as I said, it doesn't really matter who came up with the idea, because the head coach obviously signed off on it. And we can all agree that it was mind blowingly stupid.

Agreed. This play should never see the light of day ever again. And we can agree to disagree on whether it's an offensive play-call or a special teams play-call. As a weather man and a married man, I don't get too wound up about being right or wrong. My rationale for it being a special teams play-call was simply this (and I can surely be wrong, but it is my opinion):

The play was with special teams personnel in a special teams formation against the opposing special teams personnel in a special teams situation.

burningmetal · 09-30-2014, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Agreed. This play should never see the light of day ever again. And we can agree to disagree on whether it's an offensive play-call or a special teams play-call. As a weather man and a married man, I don't get too wound up about being right or wrong. My rationale for it being a special teams play-call was simply this (and I can surely be wrong, but it is my opinion):

The play was with special teams personnel in a special teams formation against the opposing special teams personnel in a special teams situation.

We will agree to disagree on who called the play. And the sarcasm at the end was not lost on me, either. I could well be wrong on who called it, and that's not a big deal to me. But in this kind of situation I think it's more than plausible that the head coach is calling that play. Greg Mcmahon is not a play caller. He's just a guy who's responsible for getting his unit lined up and making sure everyone knows their assignment. It's not rocket science to run special teams. If he's being allowed to call a play like that then that's even worse then the play, itself. And perhaps that WAS the case. I don't really care either way.

09-29-2014, 10:27 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The dumbest fake punt in the history of dumb fake punts Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Y'all do realize, it's actually Greg McMahon's job with the special teams plays and execution? That piss poor play is pretty much his fault... The question is why would Payton want to take the ball out of Drew's hands on 4th and nine... Dude, you're not going to fool a single person into believing that wasn't Payton's design and call. Special teams coaches handle the normal ST related things. Any kind of trick play other than something generic like a reverse is going to have the offensive play caller, be it the head coach or the OC, running that play. And even if it were Mcmahon's play, Payton obviously approved of it. It was stupid, and there is no defense having let it happen.

09-29-2014, 10:56 PM	#2
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: The dumbest fake punt in the history of dumb fake punts Originally Posted by burningmetal Dude, you're not going to fool a single person into believing that wasn't Payton's design and call. Special teams coaches handle the normal ST related things. Any kind of trick play other than something generic like a reverse is going to have the offensive play caller, be it the head coach or the OC, running that play. And even if it were Mcmahon's play, Payton obviously approved of it. It was stupid, and there is no defense having let it happen. Design of a special teams play comes from the special teams coordinator, Greg McMahon. You think that Payton designs plays for the special teams when he does all the offensive play designs and calls? What would be the point of having a special teams coordinator then? Greg McMahon the Gigantic Idiot would have recommended that play to Payton for that situation, and Payton signed off on that idiocy to use in that situation. Both need the blame for that one...Greg the Moron for design plus recommended that stupidity & Sean Payton for approving it to use. This play ranks up there with AB's backwards pass in Jacksonville, but that was on AB. He turned that play into pure idiocy...last night's idiocy was the incompetence of Greg the Moron and the lack of judgement by Sean Payton. \|Mitch\| and halloween 65 like this.
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09-30-2014, 04:11 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The dumbest fake punt in the history of dumb fake punts Originally Posted by Barry from MS Design of a special teams play comes from the special teams coordinator, Greg McMahon. You think that Payton designs plays for the special teams when he does all the offensive play designs and calls? What would be the point of having a special teams coordinator then? Greg McMahon the Gigantic Idiot would have recommended that play to Payton for that situation, and Payton signed off on that idiocy to use in that situation. Both need the blame for that one...Greg the Moron for design plus recommended that stupidity & Sean Payton for approving it to use. This play ranks up there with AB's backwards pass in Jacksonville, but that was on AB. He turned that play into pure idiocy...last night's idiocy was the incompetence of Greg the Moron and the lack of judgement by Sean Payton. It's an offensive play. I thought I was pretty clear in explaining my point. If you're going to run a play that is designed to pick up yards on a 4th down (far different from running back a punt or kick), then who is going to design that play? You have you're special teams guys in there, but that is a not a situation you leave up to your ST Coordinator to come up with. That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're wrong. But as I said, it doesn't really matter who came up with the idea, because the head coach obviously signed off on it. And we can all agree that it was mind blowingly stupid. Danno likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-30-2014, 04:50 PM	#4
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: The dumbest fake punt in the history of dumb fake punts Originally Posted by burningmetal It's an offensive play. I thought I was pretty clear in explaining my point. If you're going to run a play that is designed to pick up yards on a 4th down (far different from running back a punt or kick), then who is going to design that play? You have you're special teams guys in there, but that is a not a situation you leave up to your ST Coordinator to come up with. That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're wrong. But as I said, it doesn't really matter who came up with the idea, because the head coach obviously signed off on it. And we can all agree that it was mind blowingly stupid. Agreed. This play should never see the light of day ever again. And we can agree to disagree on whether it's an offensive play-call or a special teams play-call. As a weather man and a married man, I don't get too wound up about being right or wrong. My rationale for it being a special teams play-call was simply this (and I can surely be wrong, but it is my opinion): The play was with special teams personnel in a special teams formation against the opposing special teams personnel in a special teams situation.

09-30-2014, 10:34 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The dumbest fake punt in the history of dumb fake punts Originally Posted by Barry from MS Agreed. This play should never see the light of day ever again. And we can agree to disagree on whether it's an offensive play-call or a special teams play-call. As a weather man and a married man, I don't get too wound up about being right or wrong. My rationale for it being a special teams play-call was simply this (and I can surely be wrong, but it is my opinion): The play was with special teams personnel in a special teams formation against the opposing special teams personnel in a special teams situation. We will agree to disagree on who called the play. And the sarcasm at the end was not lost on me, either. I could well be wrong on who called it, and that's not a big deal to me. But in this kind of situation I think it's more than plausible that the head coach is calling that play. Greg Mcmahon is not a play caller. He's just a guy who's responsible for getting his unit lined up and making sure everyone knows their assignment. It's not rocket science to run special teams. If he's being allowed to call a play like that then that's even worse then the play, itself. And perhaps that WAS the case. I don't really care either way.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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