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WhoDat!656 09-30-2014 08:04 PM

The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Just when I was beginning to feel better!

The New Orleans Saints went into free agency in March with virtually no cap room.

They came out of free agency with the consensus No. 1 free agent, Buffalo Bills safety Jairus Byrd, who they signed on a six-year, $54-million contract.

They were able to pull this off because of two things: 1) they backloaded the money in Byrd's contract, which could be crippling down the line, but lets them stay under the salary cap this year, and 2) they traded, cut, or let a number of role players leave in free agency.

The Saints went all in. They decided Drew Brees only has a few years left, the roster is good enough now to compete for a Super Bowl, and the window for this team to win it all is rapidly closing. So they went for it and signed Byrd, salary cap be damned.

Now they're 1-3 after getting destroyed by the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football. History says 1-3 teams miss the playoffs 85% of the time. To make matters worse, some of the role players they were forced to let go of are playing exceptionally well.

Here are the main guys they let leave. Some of them are tearing it up elsewhere:
Darren Sproles, running back (traded) — Traded for a 5th-round pick. Now ranks 6th in the NFL in total yardage for the Philadelphia Eagles, with three touchdowns.
Malcolm Jenkins, safety (free agency) — Signed with the Eagles for three years, $16.5 million . Has three interceptions in four games and a touchdown.
Lance Moore, wide receiver (cut) — Signed with Pittsburgh. Injured for much of training camp but he's making his way back.
Brian de la Puente, center (free agency) — Signed with Chicago. Started three of four games.
Roman Harper, safety (cut) — Signed with Carolina. Started all four games, with one touchdown.

They lost depth and productivity at a number of key positions. None of these guys are stars (although Sproles is playing like one now), but they matter. It hurts that they have to play Khiry Robinson and Pierre Thomas when starting running back Mark Ingram got hurt instead of someone like Sproles.

There's also an opportunity cost here. Safety wasn't exactly the most pressing need for New Orleans going into the offseason, cornerback was. Instead of keeping Jenkins and paying a starting-level cornerback a decent salary, the Saints paid Byrd $54 million and took a flyer on Champ Bailey. When Bailey was promptly cut, they were left with a hole at one of the league's most important positions.

Because of the way the Byrd deal is structured, the Saints are going to be in salary cap hell for the foreseeable future. They already have $160 million in cap dollars committed for 2015, and $140 million committed for 2016. For better or worse, this is the team they have to work with for the next few years.


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NOLA54 09-30-2014 08:07 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Ouch!

saintsfan1976 09-30-2014 08:07 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Last I checked there were 16 games in a season.

stickman 09-30-2014 08:17 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Every year you lose a guy who goes on and does well somewhere else. And I don't think we are missing de la Puente.

FinSaint 09-30-2014 11:06 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickman (Post 615272)
Every year you lose a guy who goes on and does well somewhere else. And I don't think we are missing de la Puente.


And the DLP decision wasn't money-driven, since the team apparently could've signed him close to the vet minimum.

hagan714 09-30-2014 11:35 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
1 of 2 things could be true here

the system here does not work

or

getting released was just the wake up call they needed

in Jenkins case i go with the later

either way crying split milk at this point.

cue the kitty pics

WHODATINCA 10-01-2014 04:30 AM

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jeanpierre 10-01-2014 05:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615332)
1 of 2 things could be true here

the system here does not work

or

getting released was just the wake up call they needed

in Jenkins case i go with the later

either way crying split milk at this point.

cue the kitty pics

It would appear both options apply.

MatthewT 10-01-2014 07:17 AM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Signing Byrd to that big contract was a questionable decision, but I think I get what the thought process was. IMO the reason this looks so bad now is the miss on Champ Bailey. Robinson and White were suppose to be backups, with Baptiste the project CB to take over in two years. I can pretty much guarantee if the Saints knew how this would play out, they would have maybe locked up Jenkins for a couple years, and spent some money on a better CB solution.

hagan714 10-01-2014 09:05 AM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
The only FA at this time I have on the Radar for 2015

Byron Maxwell CB Seahawks

But after signing Bird I do not see anything this big happening. But we are talking Mickey here so you never know.

A move like this would allow you work on other areas of the defense. both CB on an island 80% of the time

come on Drew really redo that contract.

Cap friendly extension all around for every one :p

brees84 10-01-2014 09:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615370)
The only FA at this time I have on the Radar for 2015
Byron Maxwell CB Seahawks

I don't know about that.
Did you watch the Denver game? Emmanuel Sanders owned him. I'll be careful with seahawks players (other than obvious ballers) . I don't like their coaches but they are doing fantastic job.

hagan714 10-01-2014 10:57 AM

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I think he is really the only CB right now that may help out. but cap wise i just do not see it happening anyways

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State
Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State

would be nice in round 1. so far they both have looked good. i am leaning towards Trae Waynes right now. not the freak athlete like PJ but it seems he plays smarter

|Mitch| 10-01-2014 12:58 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615385)
I think he is really the only CB right now that may help out. but cap wise i just do not see it happening anyways

We say that every year, but somehow Loomis works a miracle every year...

Danno 10-01-2014 01:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 615391)
We say that every year, but somehow Loomis works a miracle every year...

True, but that miracle last year included parting ways with a bunch of players and several others shifting money into 2015, 2016 and 2017.

dizzle88 10-01-2014 03:22 PM

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Byrd contract - Questionable, he's a fast player but so far not a difference maker he was painted out to be

Junior contract - Boy did we screw up there, he's completely lost his drive and effort to be great, when he doesn't beat the O line now he just stands around!!

Jimmy Graham contract - very hot and cold, he has something about him that makes me hate his play - mostly when he gives a lackluster effort to make a catch when its not right into his body, then stands around like its someone elses fault or looking for the flag

Very dysfunctional on both sides of the ball and I can't wait until Ingram is healthy, so far he is showing that he deserved the fifth year option not Cameron Jordan

Danno 10-01-2014 03:25 PM

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After only 4 games it appears we may have gotten two things wrong.

We over estimated how good our front 7 was.
We over estimated how bad our secondary was.

We probably should have put more emphasis on improving the front end instead of the back end.

Utah_Saint 10-01-2014 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 615421)
I can't wait until Ingram is healthy, so far he is showing that he deserved the fifth year option...

I think his injuries are part of the reason he didn't get the option. Besides the fact that the fifth year options on RBs is grossly over market value right now.

halloween 65 10-01-2014 07:13 PM

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To be honest I never liked the McGriff signing as db. coach. I'm a Rebel fan.

blackangold 10-01-2014 10:34 PM

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Trash article...

I started laughing at the "Safety wasn't exactly the most pressing need", anyone who has actually watched the Saints play could argue it was absolutely the most pressing need and has been for some time now.

Bottom line: if the Saints could rush the passer like they did in 2013 this article wouldn't exist and the Saints would be 4-0.

blackangold 10-01-2014 10:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 615391)
We say that every year, but somehow Loomis works a miracle every year...

Agreed, the cap in future years should be no one's concern. That is one thing Loomis has done well. Evaluating defensive talent in the draft... not so much.

|Mitch| 10-01-2014 10:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 615513)
Bottom line: if the Saints could rush the passer like they did in 2013 this article wouldn't exist and the Saints would be 4-0.

That's Bill Johnson's job; he's the D-Line coach...

FinSaint 10-01-2014 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615385)
P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State
Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State

would be nice in round 1. so far they both have looked good. i am leaning towards Trae Waynes right now. not the freak athlete like PJ but it seems he plays smarter


How about a G or a T with the 1st. According to the eyeball-test, Evans has lost a step or two with the recent injuries and Harris as the initial T depth didn't seem too good either.

Utah_Saint 10-02-2014 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 615513)
Trash article...

I started laughing at the "Safety wasn't exactly the most pressing need", anyone who has actually watched the Saints play could argue it was absolutely the most pressing need and has been for some time now.

Bottom line: if the Saints could rush the passer like they did in 2013 this article wouldn't exist and the Saints would be 4-0.

I always stick up for Harper. But you're right, safety was our biggest weakness last season.

Budsdrinker 10-02-2014 09:34 AM

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Doesn't matter who we have in the secondary, if the D-line can't put any pressure on QB we're in trouble!

Danno 10-02-2014 12:10 PM

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Here are the players he listed

Quote:

Darren Sproles, running back (traded) — Traded for a 5th-round pick. Now ranks 6th in the NFL in total yardage for the Philadelphia Eagles, with three touchdowns.
Malcolm Jenkins, safety (free agency) — Signed with the Eagles for three years, $16.5 million . Has three interceptions in four games and a touchdown.
Lance Moore, wide receiver (cut) — Signed with Pittsburgh. Injured for much of training camp but he's making his way back.
Brian de la Puente, center (free agency) — Signed with Chicago. Started three of four games.
Roman Harper, safety (cut) — Signed with Carolina. Started all four games, with one touchdown.
We did not downgrade at any position listed above.

You could argue Sproles, but we have the #3 Offense in the NFL so I think his loss has not hurt us at all.

And without a doubt not one of these losses are "haunting" us right now, and I actually like every player he listed.

QBREES9 10-02-2014 12:50 PM

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He won us a Super Bowl. Yeah it hurts. But OUCH.

FinSaint 10-02-2014 03:41 PM

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The number of times Jenkins' performances frustrated me during these past years - I don't miss his presence even if he had 16 TDs this season.

Harper, on the other hand, wasn't a bad performer, but he was a bit too one dimensional for the way the game is played nowadays.

triman 10-02-2014 04:26 PM

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IMHO this thread is nonsense. We made good moves in free agency and the draft. The problem is.as.a.team we are not playing to our potienal. Missing BIG JOHN in the middle.We gambled on a Hall of fame CB and lost ,our former.1st rd CB flopped. We have a serious hole at CB. Colston has been awful No one can tackle.

FinSaint 10-02-2014 11:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by triman (Post 615627)
No one can tackle.


This reminds me of a certain #27 who was named in the aforementioned article, and one of the reasons I'm not sad he's gone.

WillSaints81 10-03-2014 04:45 PM

Re: The Saints Let Go Of A Bunch Of Players To Sign A $54-Million Free Agent, And It's Coming Back To Haunt Them
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615370)
The only FA at this time I have on the Radar for 2015

Byron Maxwell CB Seahawks

But after signing Bird I do not see anything this big happening. But we are talking Mickey here so you never know.

A move like this would allow you work on other areas of the defense. both CB on an island 80% of the time

come on Drew really redo that contract.

Cap friendly extension all around for every one :p


He needs the money for over 100 diapers to change a week.

WillSaints81 10-03-2014 04:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 615385)
I think he is really the only CB right now that may help out. but cap wise i just do not see it happening anyways

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State
Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State

would be nice in round 1. so far they both have looked good. i am leaning towards Trae Waynes right now. not the freak athlete like PJ but it seems he plays smarter

I would go Williams because of the conference. It appears there is a bit of a difference between the SEC, ACC, bigger winning schools and the rest. Fuller played for Virginia, Benjamin played for FSU. So far those are the top rookies.


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