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Saints Defense Lacks Patience and Fundamentals In Crunch Situations

Great article on TheAdvocate by Nick Underhill today. Nick explains that in times of urgency in game situations, the Saints defense plays for the turnover rather than playing solid fundmental football - ie. tackling, better angles, etc. It's a common flaw we saw with Gregg Williams defense in his last two seasons.

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With 2:34 remaining in Sunday’s 38-17 loss to the Dallas Cowboys...Saints quarterback Drew Brees had just thrown an interception that led to a Dallas touchdown. The New Orleans defense watched as the offense went three-and-out on the next series.

Something had to give. The defense needed to get the ball back for the offense, but instead of being patient and displaying solid fundamentals, it appeared everyone collectively decided that a turnover was the only acceptable result. So, when the Cowboys handed off to DeMarco Murray on their next snap, everyone was thinking the same thing: cause a fumble.

Linebackers Ramon Humber and Curtis Lofton and safety Rafael Bush got their hands on Murray just shy of the first-down marker and immediately began swatting at the ball instead of making the easy tackle. Murray managed to slip free of all three men and picked up 22 yards on what initially looked like a 7-yard gain.

The defense was pressing.

READ THE FULL ARTICLE AND ANALYSIS AT THEADVOCATE.COM

Re: Saints Defense Lacks Patience and Fundamentals In Crunch Situations

Shoving your foot up his butt may work better.

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This article linked above is exactly on target. Our defense plays some shoddy "feetball" in situations where all we need is a simple stop. its been consistant like that all season. stupid and uneccesarry strips instead of good tackling technique is their style this season. Unfortunately we saw flashes of this from our defense last season too (Rams game, Seahawks regular season game, etc.)

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This is Sean Payton's fault.

If you recall he wanted more turnovers, and this is always what happens to defenses that focus on turnovers before fundamentals.

This is what happens when you have an offensive coach giving the defense direction... Payton, shut up and let Ryan do his job!

Edit: Payton doesn't get it still. Look at the quote bellow:
“I don’t think the starting position has been as challenging as just the lack of possessions,” Payton said. “Going into last week’s game, from an efficiency standpoint, with the possessions, we were scoring. When you’re looking at the scoring efficiency, but the lack of opportunities is something that when we get to talking about a complementary game trying to have more possessions and what contributes to that, a turnover obviously does.”

The last sentence is why this defense sucks. Payton doesn't seem to understand a 3 and out is effectively a turnover...

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It's going to be like taking baby steps.

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 615729)

I forgot who 1st brought it up (I think either Mitch or Blackangold), but I believe there's some truth to it. We were so obsessed with getting more turnovers that we lost focus on sound fundamentals. Its like we're trying too hard to force turnovers when all we really need to do is play sound smash mouth defense and the turnovers will come.

Jenkins and Harper both had hands of stone so we were at an interception disadvantage from the start. But now with Byrd and Vaccaro/Bush the picks should increase naturally without having to force or fabricate them.

I'm positive that if we focus on sound fundamentals the turnovers will come. We need to quit obsessing about them.

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 615729)

Yes. It all started in training camp. They changed a lot of things in order to "create more turnovers". Those changes unfortunately made players soft and confused.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 615740)

Someone needs to write a letter to Sean Payton. Maybe then he'll keep his nose out and let Ryan coach the defense.

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One more thing. Watch Galette and Jordan and the way they are trying to sack QB. (preseason has more sample size)
They are more concerned to attack the football than to hit a QB and it is so slow and ineffective, which gives QB a time to get out of the trouble. Just knock the s*** out of him!

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 615757)

hey dont forget the 3 and outs on offense. hey what's the point of giving you opportunities when all you gonna do is go 3 and out? start producing some drives, picking up some first downs, cut your offensive turnovers down and score. its just as much of the offense fault as the defense.

This says otherwise:

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The Saints have the best third-down efficiency in the NFL (57.1 percent) and the best completion percentage in the NFL (71.4 percent). Their red-zone efficiency is way up (from 43.8 percent to 68.8 percent).

New Orleans Saints offense has been better than last year - ESPN

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Combine all of those factors and the Saints’ offense is ranked by ESPN Stats and Info as the second-most efficient in the NFL this season, with 46.33 expected points added. Last year through four games, the Saints’ EPA was 27.07.

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 615757)

hey I think you said this already (like everyday). so....
:deadhorse2:

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This doesn't sound good.

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 615794)

you know why no one is getting seperation, drew is holding the ball for the big play.

Right :rolleyes:

Please do some research before bashing:

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One other category in which the Saints have dropped off is “big plays.” Last year they had 19 pass plays of 20 yards or longer through four games. This year, they have only nine.

New Orleans Saints offense has been better than last year - ESPN

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 615800)

Right :rolleyes:

Please do some research before bashing:

New Orleans Saints offense has been better than last year - ESPN

See Mitch, at least when I argue with you ill bring facts in my pocket to make it interesting lol.

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Small things lead to big things.

Tackle first. Turnover later.

Beat your man, sack will come.

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 615814)

why do you think i keep saying "run the ball" more because this will take pressure off of drew. for an example the cowgirls will continue to have success if they keep feeding the ball to d murry.

Looks like we're better than last years rushing where we were 4-0, what gives except the defense is a hell of a lot poorer

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Their passing yards are down from 338.3 per game to 294.5. But their rushing yards are way up, from 81.25 per game to 131.3.

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 615814)

more offense + less defense= wins. plain and simple.

You do understand with a better defense you would have more offense right?

Should read same #2 efficient offense + better defense = 4-0, not 1-3...

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The Saints’ points per game are down from 27.0 to 23.8 through four games, but that's largely because the Saints aren’t getting as many possessions. They’ve had 9.75 drives per game, which ranks 31st in the NFL.

Because the defense is horrid :rolleyes: Has nothing to do with the lack of offensive production which the stats have disproved

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The Saints’ yards per game are up, from 419.5 last year to 425.8 this year. And their yards per play rank No. 2 in the NFL this year (6.4, compared to 6.1 last year).

Their passing yards are down from 338.3 per game to 294.5. But their rushing yards are way up, from 81.25 per game to 131.3.

The Saints have the best third-down efficiency in the NFL (57.1 percent) and the best completion percentage in the NFL (71.4 percent). Their red-zone efficiency is way up (from 43.8 percent to 68.8 percent).

They’ve thrown fewer interceptions than they did in the first four games last year (3 vs. 4) and Brees has been sacked a lot less (5 times vs. 12 times). However, the Saints have four lost fumbles this year, compared to one at this point last year.

One other category in which the Saints have dropped off is “big plays.” Last year they had 19 pass plays of 20 yards or longer through four games. This year, they have only nine.

Combine all of those factors and the Saints’ offense is ranked by ESPN Stats and Info as the second-most efficient in the NFL this season, with 46.33 expected points added. Last year through four games, the Saints’ EPA was 27.07.

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I get it; the perception is that he's been far from productive. But is that accurate? Consider that Brees is averaging 300.8 yards per game with seven touchdowns against just three interceptions. Do you realize that pace projects to 4,812 yards, 28 touchdowns and 12 picks? Granted, that would be Brees' lowest yardage total since 2010 and his smallest touchdown tally since 2007, but they're still pretty much Hall of Fame numbers. The Saints' defense, meanwhile, has been more painful to watch than the countless "Sleepy Hollow" promos.