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Danno 10-07-2014 01:43 PM

PFF Grades vs Tampa
 
Defense
Above Average Grades
Haralson 2.8
Robinson 2.2
Foster 2.2
Hicks 2.1
Bush 1.2
Dixon 1.1
Jenkins 1.1


Below Average Grades

Galette -4.2 (other than the safety, this is terrible)
Lofton -3.7
White -2.3
Hawthorne -2.1

Danno 10-07-2014 01:47 PM

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Offense
Above average grades
Thomas (duh!) 3.9
Armstead 3.5
Grubbs 2.5
Robinson 1.6
Hill 1.4
Watson 1.3

Below Average Grades
Evans -6.0 (that’s gawd awful)
Harris -1.9
Colston -1.9
Lelito -1.8
Stills -1.5
Goodwin -1.2

|Mitch| 10-07-2014 02:13 PM

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At least it seems the defense is getting a little better

blackangold 10-07-2014 02:23 PM

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What did Brees grade at?

Terron has been amazing for us... completely changed our running game since he has started.

Danno 10-07-2014 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 617167)
What did Brees grade at?

Terron has been amazing for us... completely changed our running game since he has started.

Brees was a -1.0, which is just above the line for below average.

+1.0 to -1.0 is considered average, not good, but not bad.

After 5 weeks our top rated player is Parys Haralson at +6.7
Our worst rated player is Kenny Vaccaro at -6.9

|Mitch| 10-07-2014 03:20 PM

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Vaccaro played a lot better in the Bucs game, a lot better than the previous games...

It almost seems that he and Bush trust each other more

Crusader 10-07-2014 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 617175)
Vaccaro played a lot better in the Bucs game, a lot better than the previous games...

It almost seems that he and Bush trust each other more

I also read this was the first game he felt really healthy since his injury last year and that he felt like it helped him that he got to play only at SS instead of all over the field.

saintfan 10-07-2014 03:50 PM

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I'm personally upgrading their week on week improvement thusly:

Last week: Saintfan says "poo"

This week: Saintfan says "meh"

Not the kind of improvement I know we'd all hoped for, but I haven't given them the "poo on a stick" rating yet, so that's good.

Right now I'm just hoping to upgrade them to "Hmmmm" after the bye.

jeanpierre 10-07-2014 04:43 PM

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Well the PFF reference post did what I should have posted by now...

Haralson has been outstanding; great return on a seventh round pick...

Galette, Lofton and Hawthorne should return their paychecks and turn in their helmets...

White got burned on that endzone shot (not sure why he pulled his hand back); but thought he made some solid stops as well...

Glad to see Patrick Robinson getting things turned around; hope he can get healthy and stay on this surge of his...

How can Brees throw a three picks (all really awful) including a pick-6 and still be rated as average?!?

Vaccaro/Bush seem to have great chemistry and that shouldn't be messed with any longer...

Armstead faced some pretty good pass rushers Sunday

The rest of that old, overpaid line is done - offensive line and linebacker are top of the priority list next offseason...

I'll say it now - he's making a case for All-Pro...

Foster seems to be stronger at the point of attack and has a mammoth bull rush...

Danno 10-07-2014 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 617203)
Well the PFF reference post did what I should have posted by now...

Haralson has been outstanding; great return on a seventh round pick...

Galette, Lofton and Hawthorne should return their paychecks and turn in their helmets...

White got burned on that endzone shot (not sure why he pulled his hand back); but thought he made some solid stops as well...

Glad to see Patrick Robinson getting things turned around; hope he can get healthy and stay on this surge of his...

How can Brees throw a three picks (all really awful) including a pick-6 and still be rated as average?!?

Vaccaro/Bush seem to have great chemistry and that shouldn't be messed with any longer...

Armstead faced some pretty good pass rushers Sunday

The rest of that old, overpaid line is done - offensive line and linebacker are top of the priority list next offseason...

I'll say it now - he's making a case for All-Pro...

Foster seems to be stronger at the point of attack and has a mammoth bull rush...

Agree with every bolded line.

Barry from MS 10-07-2014 04:58 PM

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Galette: The Man in a Contract Coma.

That safety was awesome, but you gotta credit RR with that stunt call as it gave Junior a free shot. Execution on that play was on-point.

Good to see Jenkins in there. He steps up his play, and this defense will only get better. Like "Light's Out" better. It all starts in the middle.

Barry from MS 10-07-2014 05:01 PM

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Also, did y'all realize we are SECOND in the NFL with 5.2 per carry rushing?

Armstead. Armstead. He's the MAN.

xan 10-07-2014 06:39 PM

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Is it true that we've got a $100 million average quarterback?

You can win a SB with one of those, right?

Does $100MAQB come with a built in pick-6 generator?

Danno 10-07-2014 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 617209)
Also, did y'all realize we are SECOND in the NFL with 5.2 per carry rushing?

Armstead. Armstead. He's the MAN.

And Football Outsiders (probably the 2nd best grading site) grades our O-line #2 run blocking and #9 Pass blocking.

Not bad at all.

FinSaint 10-07-2014 07:26 PM

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I'm really starting to worry about Evans - he has looked pretty awful the past couple of games.

Jenkins, on the other hand, looked pretty good considering his situation - he was able to create some nice interior push on couple of plays, but seemed to tire quite quickly, which is to be expected.

I still don't like the contract they gave to Galette.

jeanpierre 10-07-2014 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 617225)
Is it true that we've got a $100 million average quarterback?

You can win a SB with one of those, right?

Does $100MAQB come with a built in pick-6 generator?


If you factor in inflation, the Broncos won two Superbowls with a twilight, overpaid John Elway...

though it helped that he was complemented in that backfield by one of the great, underrated running backs in the history of the league in Terrell Davis...

Even if Denver and Atlanta are Masters of the Illegal, Bangkok Crack-Back Blocking Scheme...

Barry from MS 10-07-2014 08:06 PM

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Our O-Line is built to run the ball (finally) as we are 2nd in the NFL in average per rush. Freakin Armstead is a stud in the run and Grubbs, too, for that matter. Where did that last run by Robinson to seal the win go? Armstead's and Grubbs' side. It is a great sign moving forward.

I am also very impressed with our O-Line depth so far. Yeah, you read that right. Lelito coming in for Goodwin the last 2 games and it seems the pass protection is a bit better. Lelito is not spectacular, but solid.

Then, there's Bryce Harris...I love this dude. Comes in at LT last week, and he didn't play light's out but he held his own. Then, he comes in at RT this week and is solid. I love that he can step in there at either tackle position and get it done. That's what you absolutely need from a back-up O-lineman.

Call me crazy, but our O-line depth is not as bad as I thought coming into the season. Coaches know what they're doing in that regard.

WHODATINCA 10-08-2014 12:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 617186)
I'm personally upgrading their week on week improvement thusly:

Last week: Saintfan says "poo"

This week: Saintfan says "meh"

Not the kind of improvement I know we'd all hoped for, but I haven't given them the "poo on a stick" rating yet, so that's good.

Right now I'm just hoping to upgrade them to "Hmmmm" after the bye.

I like it. Highly objective and surprising technical sophistication with astute factual and historical comparisons. Nicely done.

WHODATINCA 10-08-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 617243)
Our O-Line is built to run the ball (finally) as we are 2nd in the NFL in average per rush.

Now can our receivers please catch the ball and can the O-line remember how to give our QB time to throw the ball?

I can't believe our O-Line is #9 at pass blocking.

Barry from MS 10-08-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 617287)
Now can our receivers please catch the ball and can the O-line remember how to give our QB time to throw the ball?

I can't believe our O-Line is #9 at pass blocking.

You got me on that one, too. Drew has been sacked 4 times in 218 pass attempts, but that can so be misleading.

So, I reckon the #25 through #32 pass blocking lines were either:

1) using 3-4 linemen blocking for pass attempts
2) having most of the linemen fall down on half of the pass attempts

K Major 10-08-2014 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 617175)
Vaccaro played a lot better in the Bucs game, a lot better than the previous games...

It almost seems that he and Bush trust each other more

I might be in the minority here but Kenny V has regressed in his play.

Although he was slightly better against the Bucs, his overall tackling over the last few weeks has been poor and unacceptable at the safety position.

Boutte 10-08-2014 05:06 PM

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What's up with Evans? How can you go from being one of the best guards in the league to being bad in 2 years. And he's not old so that isn't it.

WHODATINCA 10-08-2014 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 617403)
What's up with Evans? How can you go from being one of the best guards in the league to being bad in 2 years. And he's not old so that isn't it.

Did he get paid? That unfortunately seems to be a predictive metric.

Barry from MS 10-08-2014 06:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 617403)
What's up with Evans? How can you go from being one of the best guards in the league to being bad in 2 years. And he's not old so that isn't it.

I know he was fighting a back injury last year...that doesn't go away too easily.

And he got a 7 yr/$56.7 mil with $19 mil in the first year. Signed it before the 2010 season.

My guess is the back issue. It ages you quickly...trust me.

Barry from MS 10-08-2014 06:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 617400)
I might be in the minority here but Kenny V has regressed in his play.

Although he was slightly better against the Bucs, his overall tackling over the last few weeks has been poor and unacceptable at the safety position.

Naw, man, you ain't the minority. A few of us have thought the same thing. Sophomore Slump, nagging injury, personal issues...who knows?

whybag 10-08-2014 08:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 617203)
White got burned on that endzone shot (not sure why he pulled his hand back);

When I saw that flag go down, I thought for sure it was offensive PI, because no way would a corner be that far behind unless he got pushed back.

Hell if I wasn't wrong. Dead wrong. How do you get that far behind, THEN pull your hand back from the ball in flight?

saintsfan1976 10-09-2014 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whybag (Post 617438)
When I saw that flag go down, I thought for sure it was offensive PI, because no way would a corner be that far behind unless he got pushed back.



Hell if I wasn't wrong. Dead wrong. How do you get that far behind, THEN pull your hand back from the ball in flight?



I'll tell you how. Go outside. Run backwards, turn, run, turn again, spin your head around and then jump backwards while reaching in the air. How'd you do?

saintsfan1976 10-09-2014 06:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 617423)
Naw, man, you ain't the minority. A few of us have thought the same thing. Sophomore Slump, nagging injury, personal issues...who knows?


Totally disagree. Previously I though KV played "average" vs Tampa but that was with his penalties. He was finally flying all over the field like last year.

Ryan put him in a single role vs TB instead of 3 or 4 responsibilities. Maybe you noticed him playing more SS??

It helped and he's admittedly moving faster since breaking his ankle.

NonieT 10-10-2014 11:23 AM

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He said the 1st 4 weeks his ankle was a little sore. He said now he is finally 100%. That might have a little to do with what was going on.

Rugby Saint II 10-11-2014 02:16 PM

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Colston and Galette are my two biggest surprises.

Utah_Saint 10-11-2014 02:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 617243)
Our O-Line is built to run the ball (finally) as we are 2nd in the NFL in average per rush. Freakin Armstead is a stud in the run and Grubbs, too, for that matter. Where did that last run by Robinson to seal the win go? Armstead's and Grubbs' side. It is a great sign moving forward.

I am also very impressed with our O-Line depth so far. Yeah, you read that right. Lelito coming in for Goodwin the last 2 games and it seems the pass protection is a bit better. Lelito is not spectacular, but solid.

Then, there's Bryce Harris...I love this dude. Comes in at LT last week, and he didn't play light's out but he held his own. Then, he comes in at RT this week and is solid. I love that he can step in there at either tackle position and get it done. That's what you absolutely need from a back-up O-lineman.

Call me crazy, but our O-line depth is not as bad as I thought coming into the season. Coaches know what they're doing in that regard.

I love the run blocking. We should take advantage of it more often.

Lelito has been a pleasant surprise at center considering how bad he was at guard last year.

But I've got to disagree about Harris. He played terrible. He got pushed around almost every play in Dallas. And in my opinion, he was the biggest single reason why our offense couldn't get anything going against da boys.


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