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Rugby Saint II 10-15-2014 11:12 AM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 618436)
Dennis Allen is available...

That would be the one move to fix this ailing secondary. Loomis needs to make the phone call.:biggun:

SaintsBro 10-15-2014 12:11 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 618436)
Dennis Allen is available...

If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point.

Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man.

Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.

Utah_Saint 10-15-2014 01:06 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 618494)
If it were up to me, I'd hire Dennis Allen as a secondary coach IMMEDIATELY, shake his hand, wink at him across the table and then basically promise him first crack at the defensive coordinator position if Ryan screws things up ANY further. And I'd make Allen a "Mole" that reports to Loomis and Payton and Benson, on what the hell is happening in Ryan's defensive meetings and on his white boards. I don't trust Rob "ready to get weird" Ryan any further than I could throw him, at this point.

Payton has already gotten in trouble with being too hands-off, and giving the Defensive coordinator too much leeway, before -- with GW. In fact, the Saints coaches and organization have recently gotten in trouble with being too hands-off with the defensive staff TWICE, if you count Spags losing the team in the year Payton was out....this is probably on Vitt, too, since he is supposed to be Payton's right hand man.

Somebody needs to be following Rob Ryan to Miss Mae's after the games, taking notes on the meetings and copying his Powerpoint slides, or do whatever it takes to monitor him and his players. Right now I just don't trust the guy. Allen would be a huge improvement to bring him back, but the problems may be even bigger than that.

I don't know about Allen as a DC.

His only stint as a DC, 2011, his team finished 20th in yards allowed and 24th in points.
As a head coach, his defenses finished 18th in yards and 28th in points in 2012 and 22nd in yard and 29th in points in 2013.

hagan714 10-15-2014 01:57 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
The blame begins and ends at Rob's door. this is his system and he made all the moves over the past two years.

brees84 10-15-2014 03:32 PM

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dizzle88 10-15-2014 04:16 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 618544)

Well he was certainly a better jack of all trades than he is a safety at the moment.

Danno 10-15-2014 05:29 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
In the box safety... reference Troy Polamalu.

saintsfan1976 10-15-2014 06:06 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
Yep. In the box safety.

NOLA54 10-15-2014 07:34 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
Does Vaccaro have the sophomore blues? I can't help but wonder if Byrd doesn't feel comfortable here and if the back issue is on his mind?

NOLA54 10-15-2014 07:36 PM

Re: Position Spotlight: Secondary
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 618436)
Dennis Allen is available...

I thought coach & Loomis would scoop him up when he was released by the raiders.


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