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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 618963)

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

if we could get half of what we got from our d last year and our o would play the way it normally does, we'd run away with the division

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 618920)

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 618963)

But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either.

The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch.

I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye.

SFIAH

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

Had a dream Joe Morgan caught two TD's this week. :)

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 618972)

Had a dream Joe Morgan caught two TD's this week. :)

Huh? ...

http://omgreds.com/wp-content/upload...1973-topps.jpg

... (I know who you're really talking about, ;))

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 618970)

I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye.

SFIAH

That's what I am hoping SFIAH.

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 618896)

Question: When is the last Saints game that you've seen where that formula has actually been used? My memory is a bit hazy...

SFIAH

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 618971)

ha ha this is too funny! watch a saints game really? read my bio. not only am i a fan of the saints but i'm a fan of football. let me educate you (and others) about the concept of football. the teams that were dominant on offense always has and always will be the team that had or (in present day) has premier running back(s). now there is a combination of things such as having a decent qb, decent wr's, coaches etc etc. every position is important but how most historical teams that won superbowls had a good running back and or fullback. fullbacks, yeah some of you all dont even know what a fullback is. you think its a te coming off the line going into the back filed to help block. lol. but back to the topic at hand. name a team historically that was dominant on offense that won a sb and didnt have a running game? even the year the saints won the sb we had a very good run game whether it was coming from screens or draws to r bush. now lets go to modern day times, the dallas cowgirls is 5-1 not because of t nomo but because of d murray. now dont go give me this notion that every team is built differently and every team does this or does that.. every team in the nfl now want this premier qb. every team. name one that so much emphasis isnt placed on qb's and wr's? go ahead i'm waiting.............. thought so none! every sports analyst highlights the qb and wr position. meanwhile the rb position is down played and damn near a thing of the past. i garauntee if the saints start running the ball EFFECTIVELY, because that is the key is how EFFECTIVELY you can run the ball they will win games. if the dallas cowgirls continue to run like they're doing, they're going to the super bowl and i'll put a bet on that and i dont gamble!

I think you missed my point. I'm not arguing one way or the other if running the football is the path to success. I too believe that the Saints would benefit from both running the ball more and more effectively.

My point is you have an offensive brain trust in Payton, Carmichael, and Brees that's been in place for 8 seasons now. The offense is etched in granite. It's an offense that from 2006 on has piloted the team to winning, elite, and championship level football.

My point is that wishing for a fundamental change isn't going to make it happen. At this point it would literally take flushing out the entire organization to effect such a fundamental change.

Currently what the Saints do well is run the ball effectively. They are #2 in the NFL at 5.2 YPA.

Also we always have this discussion as if the Saints do not run the ball at all. Or that each and every pass isn't a screen or a long handoff. It isn't really like the Cowboys are having 55 rushes per game and the Saints have 3. The actual numbers up until now is 33 attempts vs. 25 attempts. Note the 33 APG is tops in the NFL

So will 8 more rushes per game really make the Saints offense the absolute unbeatable juggernaut that will only end at the Lombardi Trophy?

As for QB and WR, history is changing. With the lopsided tilt of the rules to the offense in today's NFL "in the name of player safety" we will soon have 6000 yard passers, 25 TDs per year for receiver/TE and 60 TD/yr QBs. In the next 10 years, running the football on offense will simply be a distraction from the passing game. That's why there is so much emphasis in QBs and WR.

My bet is that there will never be another Trent Dilfer winning the SB. Not in today's climate.

Now I will admit that sometimes Brees and Payton get a bit pass happy. 57 pass attempts in any game is way way too much.

But the perceived lack of rushing really isn't the problem for the offense. The real problems are failure to convert red zone opportunities into TDs and turnovers.

Fix those two, along with the defense getting a stop or turnover a bit more often, and you'll see more of the rushing attack because the team will be executing that rushing attack in the 8 minute drill in the 4th quarter of games.

BTW, I see what you did. You didn't answer my question...

SFIAH

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 618971)

but back to the topic at hand. name a team historically that was dominant on offense that won a sb and didnt have a running game? even the year the saints won the sb we had a very good run game whether it was coming from screens or draws to r bush.

2010 Green Bay Packers. Running game in the 20s in every category that season. Middle of the pack in the playoffs.

SFIAH

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 619005)

I think you missed my point. I'm not arguing one way or the other if running the football is the path to success. I too believe that the Saints would benefit from both running the ball more and more effectively.

My point is you have an offensive brain trust in Payton, Carmichael, and Brees that's been in place for 8 seasons now. The offense is etched in granite. It's an offense that from 2006 on has piloted the team to winning, elite, and championship level football.

My point is that wishing for a fundamental change isn't going to make it happen. At this point it would literally take flushing out the entire organization to effect such a fundamental change.

Currently what the Saints do well is run the ball effectively. They are #2 in the NFL at 5.2 YPA.

Also we always have this discussion as if the Saints do not run the ball at all. Or that each and every pass isn't a screen or a long handoff. It isn't really like the Cowboys are having 55 rushes per game and the Saints have 3. The actual numbers up until now is 33 attempts vs. 25 attempts.

So will 8 more rushes per game really make the Saints offense the absolute unbeatable juggernaut that will only end at the Lombardi Trophy?

Now I will admit that sometimes Brees and Payton get a bit pass happy. 57 pass attempts in any game is way way too much.

But the perceived lack of rushing really isn't the problem for the offense. The real problems are failure to convert red zone opportunities into TDs and turnovers.

Fix those two, along with the defense getting a stop or turnover a bit more often, and you'll see more of the rushing attack because the team will be executing that rushing attack in the 8 minute drill in the 4th quarter of games.

BTW, I see what you did. You didn't answer my question...

SFIAH

I think its mush simpler than that.

We have an A offense and a D defense.

Its not too difficult to see which side of the ball needs the most attention.

Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 619009)

I think its mush simpler than that.

We have an A offense and a D defense.

I disagree. We have a B- offense and a D defense.

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Its not too difficult to see which side of the ball needs the most attention.

Both sides needs attention. An 'A' offense scores when the red zone and doesn't give the ball away. I really want the Saints to have an 'A' offense for the rest of the season.

A 'B' defense gets off the field on third down, doesn't give up the big play, gets a turnover every once in a while, like once a game, contains the run, and pressures the QB. At this point I'd take a 'B-' or a C defense that does many of these items on a consistent basis.

An 'A' offense wins games, not lose them. The offense was just as much to blame in the Atlanta and Cleveland losses as the defense.

I really hope not to see those kinds of mistakes going down the stretch.

SFIAH