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SmashMouth 10-17-2014 07:23 AM

Optimum Performance: Drew Brees' arm strength should not be questioned
 
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When would you ever think that Saints' Quarterback Drew Brees' arm strength or lack of it, would be part of the reasons given by some Saints fans for the Black & Gold's current malaise. It certainly showed up last Sunday on NOLA.com and Times-Picayune columnist Larry Holder's top nine list of, "How the Saints Can Salvage Their Season."

Holder said, "I've defended him (Brees). He's defended himself. Yet, this topic isn't going away." Rightfully so, Holder said, "Get off the arm strength topic. It's a tired excuse."

Over my last 40 years in pro sports, I have had the opportunity to improve the functional fitness and performance of high school, college, and professional quarterbacks; increase the ball velocity for many MLB pitchers; and, most recently, increase Serena Williams' serve speed. As a result of these many experiences, I need to dispel what appears to be a misconception related to the term - "arm strength."

While many fans, based on their recent comments on NOLA.com, are focusing on Brees' arm strength, they may have missed the fact that the arm is not (or should not) become the source of strength for the throwing motion. In fact, the arm is nothing more than a "delivery mechanism" for guidance at ball release toward a target.

For a baseball pitcher, sixty-five percent of the throwing velocity is generated by the legs - combined with the internal rotation of the dominant-side hip - which is initiated by a pivoting motion of the back foot.

The quarterback - with a 3, 5, or 7 step drop to pass - must also plant that back foot to initiate the mechanic necessary to generate the appropriate power to make a pinpoint throw.

The American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) says, "For the quarterback to throw the ball to the side of the field on his throwing-hand side, the final step of the last two quick steps should open up the foot somewhat in the direction of the throw, so that the front hip can start to rotate in the direction of the target before he takes his step to deliver the ball. When the throw starts, the back foot should be perpendicular to the line from the quarterback to the target.

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saintsfan1976 10-17-2014 08:12 AM

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Wrong.

Drew Brees is having his 3rd most accurate season (68.8%) in 14 years AND at a higher attempt rate (43.6 per game) than ever.

Before you complain about INT's, his % is on par with previous years.

Danno 10-17-2014 08:30 AM

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Great article, now will everyone STFU about Drew's arm strength?

saintsfan1976 10-17-2014 08:36 AM

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Teddy, teddy, teddy.....

We've run the ball 129 times, our opponents 133 times. Why do you want to take the ball away from Drew Brees? I've already pointed out that he's having a good year.

I won't argue that sometimes the offense stalls and we've let too many good drives end in field goals. But that has nothing to do with Drew's accuracy.

hagan714 10-17-2014 10:16 AM

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Drew has or had a cannon? when? I missed it and i watch him at Purdue a good bit. master of short to mid range passes. always has been and always will be. i hate articles like this. he still has enough zip on the ball to get the job done.

Budsdrinker 10-17-2014 10:22 AM

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The only thing I see Drew doing that I wish he wouldn't is waiting too long before he hits his check down receiver. He always wants the big play but if he was a little quicker to the check down guy we could gain at least 7 yards every time but he usually waits too long and then the check down guy is covered for either pass break up or no gain. Don't get me wrong, I love the big play but sometimes the check down works wonders.

AsylumGuido 10-17-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 618842)
if you dont believe my last sentence just fyi, in the bucs game we were in the redzone 3 times and came up with only 9 points. giving the bucs chance and hope. now if 2 of those drives resultiing in t.d.'s then defensively for us would have been better because now the opposing offense has to compensate by trying to keep up with our offense by now passing more so now we can place 7 and 8 db's in coverage. rushing four. our defense isnt as bad as everyone thinks trust me. i believe in this defense so should you.

Sorry, but to be honest, I never made it to the last sentence of your previous post. The fact that you insist upon posting in all lowercase makes your posts mostly unreadable. Nothing personal, but it is very hard to take anyone seriously when they can't take the time to punctuate properly.

blackangold 10-17-2014 11:12 AM

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so he has a lack of leg strength then... or he is letting is leak out on him... got it.

Either way he has sucked at delivering the deep ball this year, and I don't care who says it but a 15 yard throw is no way to measure arm strength.

Bottom line:
Start connecting on the deep balls so I don't have to talk about this horse****.

brees84 10-17-2014 12:15 PM

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Deep ball controversy is such a BS. I'm sure some of you would be complaining about Manning's short passes, crossing routes. Hey , he ain't dropping bombs!!!

Instead of talking about mental aspects of his game (stupid/brave decisions, trying to do too much) this arm strenght BS is really becoming one off the stupidest conversations on the internet.

There are actual reports of people (nfl people, scouts,..) who watch him practice, warm up and they never saw lack of arm strenght.

Mardigras9 10-17-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 618853)
Drew has or had a cannon? when? I missed it and i watch him at Purdue a good bit. master of short to mid range passes. always has been and always will be. i hate articles like this. he still has enough zip on the ball to get the job done.

Amen, accuracy has always been his greatest weapon.

blackangold 10-17-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 618866)
Deep ball controversy is such a BS. I'm sure some of you would be complaining about Manning's short passes, crossing routes. Hey , he ain't dropping bombs!!!

Instead of talking about mental aspects of his game (stupid/brave decisions, trying to do too much) this arm strenght BS is really becoming one off the stupidest conversations on the internet.

There are actual reports of people (nfl people, scouts,..) who watch him practice, warm up and they never saw lack of arm strenght.

Apparently you didn't do well enough to read the article. This speculation in the article is coming from the fitness coach for Serena Williams.

Most writers/reports don't debate his arm strength since you can't quantify that, but what they do know is the deep ball is nowhere to be found this year. I haven't heard Brees being compared to any other QB in any of these conversations, but they do compare him to himself in previous years, years in which he was the best deep ball passer.

Let's not debate whether or not his arm strength is gone for whatever reason. Instead let's all agree that the deep ball has been an utter failure this year, because that is a fact.

AsylumGuido 10-17-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 618881)
Apparently you didn't do well enough to read the article. This speculation in the article is coming from the fitness coach for Serena Williams.

Most writers/reports don't debate his arm strength since you can't quantify that, but what they do know is the deep ball is nowhere to be found this year. I haven't heard Brees being compared to any other QB in any of these conversations, but they do compare him to himself in previous years, years in which he was the best deep ball passer.

Let's not debate whether or not his arm strength is gone for whatever reason. Instead let's all agree that the deep ball has been an utter failure this year, because that is a fact.

I have read several articles over the past few months dealing with the decreasing number of deep pass completions in the game. The numbers are down all across the league. You can pick out most any QB individual and you will see the same sort of drop-off in deep ball frequency and efficiency. That's the problem with looking at one single set of numbers in a vacuum. You can easily arrive at the wrong conclusion as to the reason for said numbers.

halloween 65 10-17-2014 08:37 PM

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Either his arm strength is in decline or we have the fastest WR in the world.To many underthown deep balls and to many passes behind the recievers. I could care less what the article says, I've got eyes to see.

WhoDat!656 10-17-2014 08:47 PM

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"Great article, now will everyone STFU about Drew's arm strength? "


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