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blackangold 10-21-2014 08:34 PM

Is Drew Brees the worst QB when under pressure?
 
The answer is yes, which actually shocked me. I knew Brees was bad this year when under pressure but I didn't expect him to be the worst in the NFL. Brees in the past was never this bad when under pressure, in fact teams that blitzed Brees regularly got beat with a deep pass, but now teams are no longer afraid to bring pressure.

"No quarterback in the NFL has been worse while under duress this year than Drew Brees, who needs to start making better decisions under pressure when the Saints (2-4) host the Green Bay Packers (5-2) on Sunday night.

Brees now has a league-worst passer rating of 19.4 when he's either under duress or being hit, according to ESPN Stats & Information -- a number that has plummeted with three ugly interceptions over the past two games against the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Brees has completed 20 of 47 passes for 199 yards while under pressure with zero touchdowns, four interceptions and five sacks."

The Film Don't Lie: Saints - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

NOLA54 10-21-2014 08:39 PM

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Wonder why he has digressed in this area & why SP hasn't addressed the issue.

foreverfan 10-21-2014 08:41 PM

Re: Is Drew Brees the worst QB when under pressure?
 
Errr.... No.

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blackangold 10-21-2014 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 620255)

I really didn't think I needed to stipulate the fact we are talking about current QBs actually playing the game now...

foreverfan 10-21-2014 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 620256)
I really didn't think I needed to stipulate the fact we are talking about current QBs actually playing the game now...

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rezburna 10-21-2014 09:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 620249)
The answer is yes, which actually shocked me. I knew Brees was bad this year when under pressure but I didn't expect him to be the worst in the NFL. Brees in the past was never this bad when under pressure, in fact teams that blitzed Brees regularly got beat with a deep pass, but now teams are no longer afraid to bring pressure.

"No quarterback in the NFL has been worse while under duress this year than Drew Brees, who needs to start making better decisions under pressure when the Saints (2-4) host the Green Bay Packers (5-2) on Sunday night.

Brees now has a league-worst passer rating of 19.4 when he's either under duress or being hit, according to ESPN Stats & Information -- a number that has plummeted with three ugly interceptions over the past two games against the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Brees has completed 20 of 47 passes for 199 yards while under pressure with zero touchdowns, four interceptions and five sacks."

The Film Don't Lie: Saints - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

Mmhmm...

Barry from MS 10-21-2014 09:13 PM

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No comment, though I will say it's one of the "Thou shalt not's..." on here, from what I've experienced.

rezburna 10-21-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 620264)
No comment, though I will say it's one of the "Thou shalt not's..." on here, from what I've experienced.

Indeed.

jeanpierre 10-21-2014 09:27 PM

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from the Mike Triplett article..."And, at times, Brees and the Saints' offensive line have looked outstanding, like they did during the first three-plus quarters...

But then suddenly, the Saints line couldn't seem to block anyone in the Lions' stifling defensive front as they coughed up a 13-point lead in a stunning 24-23 loss. Brees threw a career-high 10 straight incomplete passes in the fourth quarter -- including a game-changing interception he admitted was too telegraphed."


It's called running out of gas because everyone is over 30 years old...

Younger, Faster, Stronger, Hungrier - that's what their front seven is and our offensive line isn't...

brees84 10-21-2014 09:37 PM

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I am not pleased with his perfomance vs Tampa (dumb mistakes).
Other than that, he was Drew Brees, most of the time avoiding his O-linemen.

WillSaints81 10-21-2014 10:08 PM

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Brees needs to accept change. What worked four years ago is not working now.

The Dude 10-21-2014 10:17 PM

Re: Is Drew Brees the worst QB when under pressure?
 
He's having some problems this year that's for sure. He has given up some stupid interceptions by trying to pitch the ball up in the air while going down just to avoid a sack. He did the exact same thing in 2012 when our defense sucked worse than any other defense in the league. I think its just his competitive nature to try and MAKE something happen when he shouldn't. He obviously consciously worked on that over the bye because there were plenty of situations where he just threw the ball away instead of pitching it up in the air. Interceptions like the one at Detroit happen, unfortunately this one cost us the game. Its those other interceptions that bother me the most.

xan 10-21-2014 10:21 PM

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We need more bargain basement cast off linemen who are on permanent disability. Otherwise we're going to have to restructure some contracts.

WHODATINCA 10-21-2014 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 620272)
He's having some problems this year that's for sure. He has given up some stupid interceptions by trying to pitch the ball up in the air while going down just to avoid a sack. He did the exact same thing in 2012 when our defense sucked worse than any other defense in the league. I think its just his competitive nature to try and MAKE something happen when he shouldn't. He obviously consciously worked on that over the bye because there were plenty of situations where he just threw the ball away instead of pitching it up in the air. Interceptions like the one at Detroit happen, unfortunately this one cost us the game. Its those other interceptions that bother me the most.

His INT was not what cost us the game. And, people who say that are pinheads. :dunce:

blackangold 10-22-2014 12:11 AM

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The focus shouldn't be on the o-line here, that's not what this excerpt is saying. Every QB in the NFL faces pressure at times, even the best o-line will give up pressures to their QB. This article is just pointing out that Drew has been the worst QB in dealing with those pressures this season, meaning Geno Smith has done a better job under pressure.

WHODATINCA 10-22-2014 12:33 AM

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Do you guys even read the other posts here? Because the data to answer this question is within easy reach. Here you go: The Saints' problems are because of a failure to protect Drew Brees | The MMQB with Peter King

So, what this says is that when elite QBs like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady get pressured above 20% of the time in a game -- they usually lose the game ( unless you play the Raiders ). Whose responsibility is it to protect the QB? That's right kids -- it's our highly paid O-Line.

blackangold 10-22-2014 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 620299)
Do you guys even read the other posts here? Because the data to answer this question is within easy reach. Here you go: The Saints' problems are because of a failure to protect Drew Brees | The MMQB with Peter King

So, what this says is that when elite QBs like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady get pressured above 20% of the time in a game -- they usually lose the game ( unless you play the Raiders ). Whose responsibility is it to protect the QB? That's right kids -- it's our highly paid O-Line.

Please see the post above...

Apparently reading comprehension is lacking today. I am trying to have a somewhat intelligent discussion regarding Drew's inability to throw successfully WHEN UNDER PRESSURE as the article and first post originally stated.

Like I said before, every QB gets pressured throughout the game, some more than others but right now Drew is the least successful when pressured. This entire topic has nothing to do with the o-line.

My hypothesis; Drew never fully recovered from his oblique injury which is making him have happy feet in the pocket along with reducing his ability to throw the deep ball. Anyone else care to have a interesting conversation/speculation with me?

EDIT:
For the record I agree with you, the o-line does suck and they/Payton need to protect Drew better.

dizzle88 10-22-2014 04:49 AM

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Teams are not afraid to bring pressure because our receivers can't get separation and Brees is making bad decisions, our fastest receiver is running screens and slants

All teams need to do is jam our receivers and Brees will either get sacked or throw into triple coverage

Plus brees would always check down to sproles under pressure who could pick up a lot of first downs, we don't have that any more.

blackangold 10-22-2014 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 620314)
Teams are not afraid to bring pressure because our receivers can't get separation and Brees is making bad decisions, our fastest receiver is running screens and slants

All teams need to do is jam our receivers and Brees will either get sacked or throw into triple coverage

Plus brees would always check down to sproles under pressure who could pick up a lot of first downs, we don't have that any more.

Good point on the Sproles comment. While I don't think the trade was a bad move, Sproles was a very good safety blanket for Brees to dump off to. Now we really don't have a safety blanket that can make something out of nothing. Thomas should be that guy but for some reason Cadet sees the field more often on 3rd down.

Danno 10-22-2014 09:04 AM

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It doesn't surprise me at all. He's made some uncharacteristically bad throws through 6 games, but its only 6 games. Thats a small sample size and he's been money over the years.

Utah_Saint 10-22-2014 10:54 AM

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Historically, blitzes have been one of the best parts of his game. Hopefully he can fix whatever had changed.

Budsdrinker 10-22-2014 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 620364)
Historically, blitzes have been one of the best parts of his game. Hopefully he can fix whatever had changed.

Open receivers is what changed, whether it is poor routes they are running or just not getting separation or not coming back to the ball.

Mardigras9 10-22-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 620368)
Open receivers is what changed, whether it is poor routes they are running or just not getting separation or not coming back to the ball.

No doubt.

I guess he if he just took the sack, we could be talking about how he is the most sacked QB in the league.

QBREES9 10-22-2014 12:55 PM

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Oh My God, STOP!

brees84 10-22-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 620368)
Open receivers is what changed, whether it is poor routes they are running or just not getting separation or not coming back to the ball.

Watch Colston on that INT vs Lions.

dizzle88 10-22-2014 02:56 PM

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Brees had a full view of Glover Quinn closing in to undercut the route, colston had his head turned looking for the pass, there is no way the interception was colstons fault.


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