Base D vs Blitzing D
 

Do y'all think staying in this Base D for a while is good for our slow linebackers and young secondary? Our secondary seemed to play better in this base look.

Last night, this Base D with just Front 4 pressure with 7 in pass coverage certainly seemed effective. We got 2 picks of one of the best QB's & receiving corps in the league. We had 4 sacks as well, although 1 was against Flynn.

We did give up 2 HUGE chunk plays of over 60 yards, but sometimes you have to expect that kind of thing against Rodgers & Crew.

But what do y'all think? Stay in Base D & scrap the constant blitzing? We did seem to get plenty of QB pressure with just 4 last night. Of course, DC Ryan's head would explode if he doesn't blitz.

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Obviously if we can continue to get pressure with just the front 4 then the base D is extremely effective, we were able to collapse the pocket vs packers at certain points

The bit where its kind of a trial and error is when you play a QB that has wheels like Cam Newton

If we sell out on the blitz and don't get there, he'll have tons of running room
If we blitz, we need to gang tackle whenever we reach the ball

Kelvin Benjamin will be a tough matchup for our secondary.

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If you can get pressure without blitzing, then that's always the better option.

Thing is, you'll have to adjust to each game. I think the goal last night was to keep everything in front of the D by running the deep zones and not blitzing so as to maximize coverage and minimize the big play. It was a bonus that the Dline finally got some pressure. It all came together last night.

But that's not to say the same defensive scheme will work next week.

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I think you prepare for each game in a different way Barry.

Preparing for Rodgers vs Scam Cam Newton are totally different. By that I mean if were the coach, I would play more base against an elite QB like Rodgers and more of an aggressive approach against a Bum like Cam.

Cam likes to run the pistol and is not nearly as accurate as a top tier QB so if he burns you with his arm, its a give and take situation. You have to make a Bum like Cam beat you with his arm and set the edges with your OLB's and Safety's.

BTW, the most important thig is that Scam Cam Fig Newton is a total BUM.

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Great responses. Pick your spots week-to-week...I'm with y'all on that.

For this week, Scam Newton does not own the tools that A-Rod has by any stretch, but Scam is bigger & faster. Just a whole lot dumber than A-Rod...and I do mean, by miles dumber than A-Rod.

I honestly don't like the idea of blitzing Scam as it just creates so much space for him to freakin' scramble. Their WRs are not on the same planet with Nelson & Cobb, but CAR has the advantage at TE. We keep everything in front of us, with Lewis on Benjamin with safety help deep.

Our blitzing just hasn't worked too well this year for some reason or another for my liking...folks not getting through the line, folks running into each other, etc. The secondary is left so exposed when that blitz doesn't get there.

For me, I say stick with the 4 rushers/2 deep safety look and blitz less. Even against Scam...make him read the coverages and don't let him scramble. And for Lawd's sake, keep on stopping the run. I think if we blitz less, it will be more effective against Scam when we actually do blitz that turd-headed, cry-baby, s--t bird.

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I can almost guarantee Carolina is going to try and run Cam at us every chance they get.

Rob Ryan, are you listening to me? ROB! LISTEN TO MEEEE!!!!!

If we can keep that fool in the pocket we shall win.

:bng:

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The real reason we were in more base D this past game is that they finally woke up and realized that our D doesn't have the leaders or experience to pull off the fancy scheme's.

Put the guys in positions and let them make plays.

You have far less to think about when you are in a base D and can concentrate more on making a play.

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I do not understand why everybody thinks RR calls a lot of blitzes. He does NOT. Last year we were the 2nd-least frequent blitzing team in the league. This year probably somewhere in the middle of the pack. And a lot of times, even when we do blitz, it's a zone blitz and we are still only rushing 4 people.

I wanted to reach through the TV and slap Cris Collinsworth Sunday night when he kept talking about Ryan wanting to blitz all the time. He had no clue what he was talking about at all.

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Having no clue has never stopped Colinsworth before.

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Until our players show they can handle one on one assignments when we pressure we have to stay rushing the 4 down linemen. I find it hard to believe anyone on our D should be having trouble with Ryan's schemes when pretty much everyone was here and either starting or rotating last year. Aside from smatterings of Brian Dixon and Sunseri, no one is really new.

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White & Robinson playing up on the line of scrimmage seemed to click for both of them. The secondary holding Jordy Nelson to 3 catches for 25 yards is pretty freakin' impressive.

And it looks like Cam Jordan has finally woken up, and that kid Edebali coming in late in the game to get a sack on A-Rod & a strip fumble on Flynn (against the 1st string GB o-line at that) was an awesome sight.

I'll admit I was surprised & cynical when Edebali got one of the roster spots...but I was wrong. I said not too long ago that a rookie(s) need to step up and start making plays. Edebali was certainly NOT on that list, but if this kid's light just came on, we look pretty good with our front 4 pass rusher depth.

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I noticed Edebali made the most out of his reps. Maybe, just maybe we have something there.

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At least Colinswothless is consistent,
he never does know what the hell he's talking about.

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Can you guys name 5 color guys better than Collinsworth?

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Why stop at 5?

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Me

My buddy Ken (he's funny as ****)

This guy


My wife (she seems to know everything)

Saintfan (if that water boy thing doesn't work out)

Kate Upton (she's better to look at and has a more masculine voice than Collensworth)

Imagine pre game analysis like this...
That's just off the top of my head.

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We gave up over 400 yards passing... The only time the D looked good was when Rogers didn't have all year to throw. Pressure is the key in my opinion, how you get the pressure is the problem. If we are rushing 4, that's fine but we need to get home. I wasn't too impressed by the defense, they had good moments but missed tackles and WR/RBs running free was still a problem.

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Collinsworth knows a lot on offense I will give him that much....defense he has the knowledge of a falcons head coach. As far as the defense Im not satisfied until White and Robinson plays consistently, so until they do this for about 3 straight games Im still not impressed.

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I actually think he's the best color guy out there right now. Which makes it all the more disappointing when he gets things so wrong. He just didn't do his research at all.

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It's Aaron Rodgers he is one of the Best in the league right now. Give them some credit. When you face Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers a win on defense is less about what you give up ( statistically) and more about what he puts on the board. After the Cobb score, the whole entire Defense stood their ground. There were a hell of a lot of field goals that could have easily been TD, and the ints were a little icing.

Did anyone notice curse out the whole Green Bay sideline after the Hawthorne pic.... LOL FUB!!!! That was funny!!!!

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He never has a clue about anything. I can't stand to hear him on TV.

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Collingsworthless, phill Simms and troy aikman are each terrible in their own way

Monday night football crew are easily my favourite

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I do find it humorous that we now have 2 dozen color commentators that are the worst in the business.

Collinsworth is the best out there, or at least as good as Aikman. I like Gannon a lot too.

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Gruden is no slouch, I think he's great on MNF

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I get annoyed at his constant player worship. Not every player is great and not every play is great.

He brings very little insight and a whole lot of cheerleading for both sides.

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Yeah that's definitely true, I think he's trying to add to the excitement for the fans watching by going into that much detail

I do think he is a very technically smart guy though, he explains concepts and schemes well for people that aren't massively clued up.

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one way to get pressure is to have amazing coverage. Its a two way street where all parts need to click for the whole to be good.

When it comes to the 3-step passing game, the slants, quick outs and underneath routes i.e. pressure are and will be virtually non-existent, especially when the QB works out of the shot gun. There just won't be enough time between the ball is snapped and when it leaves the QBs hand to get there. The only way you can get a sack in that part of the game is if the defence can manage to blanket all the WRs and forcing the QB to hold on to the ball for too long.

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Whatever results in an effective pass rush, go with that. Otherwise, it just doesn't matter.

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if we run that cover 2 like we did against the pack Cam will eat us up running.

it has to be week to week without a doubt.

this week is gap discipline speed rusher pushed out to wide will kill us. as will getting blocked into a bunch. gotta hold our ground and collapse the pocket the old fashion way. bull rushing.

that IMO will be the key. hem in cam and crush him.

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We could spy him using a 3 S set to see if that worked, Vaccarro is big enough to bring him down and an occasional delayed blitz will make him a little skiddish of running so quick but I do think the bull rush is the best. I look for Lofton and V have a big game.

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Scam needs to understand that he is not allowed to run that football. Defense needs to be told to punish QB runs and that 15 yards are acceptable consequences of deterring this. As someone else mentioned, Newton folds up his tent and goes towel head when he is punished physically. Put Keenan on Benjamin, make sure we account for Olsen and then contain that run game. If they can beat us throwing to the scrub wide receivers left over we deserve to lose. Corey White, Patrick Robinson and our safeties need to win those one on ones.

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I expect Benjamin to be held 'in check' like Jordy Nelson was on last Sunday.

We also need to contain DeAngelo (assuming he plays) from any of those 20+ yard burst, which he has been know to do against us over the last few years.