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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1954691
Maybe Turley is just a "mickey mouse" RT.

[Edited on 30/12/2004 by Danno]

Turley threatens Martz' life!
 

This is a prime example of why I don\'t put much stock in what a lot of Saints fans have to say.

Let\'s look back shall we?

Haz get\'s bashed by many Saints fans on this very site for showing Turley the door.

They say Haz treats players unfairly. Yep, that\'s what they said. Uh Huh!! Yep, I heard \'em.

They even criticized Has for getting rid of Ricky \"burn one for me\" Williams.

Even though those fans had nothing to go on they still bashed Haz.

Listen up folks....

Now you see how much those fans knew. They knew N-O-T-H-I-N-G !! Say it with me N-O-T-H-I-N-G !!

Turley going around threatening folks life. Ricky Williams traveling the world in search of the best pot know to man.

Oh, yeah, Haz didn\'t know what he was doing.

Now these SAME folks (you know who you are) are still playing GM and tyring to convince folks they know what they are talking about.

Anyone still buying what those guys are selling? Not me. And I never will.

Sell Ricky Williams that stuff. He\'ll smoke anything. ;)

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maybe thats why he isnt here anymore. at the same time against the jets i agred with his actions even if it cost us the game. you never allow someone to do that to your qb. but all in alll maybe thats why he isnt here anymore

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But I seriously wish we had some O-linemen with his on-field attitude and fire, of course without the sociopathic tendencies.

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look guys, martz is full of ****..... the guys has lost his mind...

turley was pissed because martz said he was stealing from the organization and was not really trying to get well, just sitting there collecting a check...... he said he was not even sure who turley was, so he left his home and drove to the stadium to confront him.... to me martz has always been off his rocker... do you really think turley would go i there and tell him he is going to kill him? this is coming from a guy who blamed his backup QB for his stupid playcalling the last game chandler played (in which there was only 10 run plays called).... they even say that he now denies that there was a confrontation....

the reason why turley left is cause he did not want to play for someone who is a whiner (aaron brooks).. he knew AB did not have any heart a couple years ago.....
http://lists.rollanet.org/pipermail/...10/042048.html

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TheJudge--


Hmmm. Well, the bad news is there are 2 teams Turley can NEVER play for again. The Rams and Saints.

The good news is he can maybe catch on with one of the other 29 teams.

But 3 stikes and he\'s out. Batteer UP !! And Turley steps to the plate...... ;)

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I\'ll title my posts any damn thing I want. If you don\'t like it, nobody is forcing you to read it.
Get over it dude.

Turley threatens Martz' life!
 

The second rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club!!!

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LOL. Riiiight - while those other folks predicting 13-3 and a top 10 defense for the Saints and a number 1 offense were right on. Pretty ballsy of a guy who hasn\'t been right about just about anything in the last two years to talk smack about what other \"fans\" said.

Of course, the argument you\'re making remains entirely unsound as well. Turley being a nut-job doesn\'t make him wrong. You guys want to make this about Turley b/c he\'s an easy target and uses strong language (i.e. \"Mickey Mouse\"). Nevermind others in the media or other former players who have made similar comments. Nevermind the fact that all the signs point towards the same conclusion Turley made.

What is most hilarious to me is that three weeks ago this team WAS Mickey Mouse according to just about everyone on this board. According to you, Billy, Haslett needed to be fired after last season - shall I look it up? Three weeks ago every coach, front office manager, and half the players had to go. Now, we beat two teams with losing records and an Atlanta team that would be 3-11 instead of 11-3 with the cast it had on the field last week and all of sudden you guys were right all along. It\'s hilarious. What changed? The defense is still 32nd. The offense still sputters. Our record is still below .500. This is the same old Saints folks, and more importantly, these are the same old fans. My guess - the Saints will lose next week to the Panthers and there will be flocks of people on here talking about their late season surge, how maybe the team is finally putting it all together, and how things shouldn\'t really change. But next year, if Haslett can\'t make them real contenders, THEN he should be fired. To some of you, this should sound familiar - you\'ve heard it for three straight years.

Turley threatens Martz' life!
 

I was actually hoping that we could get back around to

1. We need to get bigger in the middle
2. We need more speed on defense
3. Our locker room cancer, player X, has to be released

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Hey Gumbo thanks for reminding us that Haslett is a personnel genius for getting rid of Turley, and Ricky.
How bout these fantastic moves:
GETTING RID OF:
LaRoi Glover
Willie Roaf
Jerry Fontenot
Mark Fields
Jake Delhomme
Grady Jackson
Chris Naeole
Willie Jackson
Chad Morton
Marc Bulger

ACQUIRING:
Jonathan Sullivan (#6 overall)
Dale Carter(huge contract)
Tebucky Jones(huge contract)
Jon Stinchcomb(2nd Rnd pick)
Cie Grant(3rd Rnd. pick)
Steve Israel
Curtis Keaton
David Sloan
Victor \"whta\'s a snap count\" Riley
Albert \"oh that\'s your wallet\" Connell

Don\'t get me wrong. Our team has made some good very good personnell decisions. I don\'t expect perfection, and there\'s often risk invoved in player moves. I also know that you can\'t keep every single player you want because of free agency. But I just find it amusing that Haslett is put up on a pedestal and thought to have the football mind of Vince Lombardi, because of two personnell decisions.

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Who in the world ever said that?

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I find it equally funny that Billy, in this thread, attempts to discredit certain members of this board, myself primarily I would guess, and vindicate himself and Jim Haslett, while simultaneously arguing in another thread that coaching doesn\'t matter.

Hey Billy - was Turley a Pro Bowl caliber RT in N.O.? Answer: according to the fans and every NFL coach he was in 2001.

Hey Billy - who decided to move him to LT in 2002?
Answer: Jim Haslett

Hey Billy - did he play as well at LT?
Answer: No.

Did that effect the team?
Answer: Yes.

So coaching doesn\'t matter? LOL.


I love the consistency of your arguments. Coaching doesn\'t matter, but Haslett made a great move in getting rid of that guy who, crazy or not, is still better on the field than either of our tackles. Nice argument.

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I find it amusing that the Saints are put up there as a sports dynasty and thought to be the most dominant team in football history because of 1 playoff victory.

Uhhh yea, I guess some people may think that kind of statement is just an opinion instead of a claim. And some people believe in little green men from Mars also.

Gator, your post makes no logical sense...in my opinion.

[Edited on 30/12/2004 by Danno]

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There are little green men, just not from mars. LOL.

There are also large mice named Mickey running this organization. :)

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Did he ask me a question? Or did you mysteriously read a question that wasn\'t really there in his post? Do you really need his help that bad to try and drag him in?
Sad.
Let go of the hate Gator.

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Trust me on this one, it wasn\'t difficult. :poke:

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WhoDat --

Yes, it\'s you I\'m calling out on the Turley and Ricky Williams thingy.

Why? Because every move Haslett has ever made you come out and criticize the man and call him crazy. And basically try to use anything as justification for firing Haslett.

In other words .. You like to drag Haslett through the mud at any opportunity.

But, if you had of been GM, we would have went through what the Dolphins did with Ricky Williams. You would have set this team back 3 years with that one move. The fact is you did have the info the Saints front office had and you just ran off at the mouth when the sent Ricky packing.

And on Turley.. You criticized Haslett to no end for getting rid of this CANCER. Now he\'s the Rams\' problem. Again, you had very little to go on other than your \"internet research\" and you were wrong again.

That\'s why I put more trust in the front office than some fan. Even if they are wrong they have more to go on than you.

Haslett and co. have made mistakes just like every other team out there. I\'ll still take that over listening to some uninformed fan who claims to know what\'s REALLY going on.



[Edited on 31/12/2004 by GumboBC]

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Pot? Is that you?

Turley threatens Martz' life!
 

Rickey? That you dude? :D

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I tried pot but I didn\'t inhale.. :o

Look folks, everyone here here knows how WhoDat drug Haslett through the mud for getting rid of Turley and Rickey. Or any other thing he could think of.

I just think it would be nice if WhoDat came to Haslett\'s defense when it was shown to be the right move.

WhoDat will be the first one to pound his chest when he was right but when he\'s wrong he just makes some kind of excuse.

There\'s nothing wrong with being wrong. I just get tired of the baseless accusations about EVERY move Haslett makes. I have enough common sense to realize WhoDat just doesn\'t have enough info to make some of the \"wild\" statements he makes.

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Billy, that\'s some pretty thin ice you\'re on there. Sounding like it\'s getting personel. Do I need to say more?

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I\'m just messin\' with WhoDat. He never takes it personally, nor do I take what he says personally.

Truth me known (and I\'ve stated this many times) I respect WhoDat\'s opinions and he\'s been right on many things.

Anyway, even though myself and WhoDat don\'t take things personally, I suppose it\'s not right that we be allowed to go at one another.

BUT HE WAS STILL WRONG :P

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LOL - I can see the goggles haven\'t been removed. Funny.

Let\'s look at the criticism a little. I DID criticize MUELLER, for trading Williams - something I have admitted I was very very wrong about. At the time, I was a little weary of allowing one of the 5 or so most talented RBs in the league, who the Saints had morgaged the farm to get, be traded away and replaced by a guy who carried the ball 20 times in his first season. I was wrong.

As for Turley, how\'s that worked out Billy. I\'m sure you feel vindicated b/c Turley is in the news. I can tell you right now that the play of both of our tackles is one of the weakest spots on this team - was Turley better or worse on the field? And was it coincidental that Turley got shipped out after a season in which, as player rep, he complained to the coaching staff about the conditions at USL (note, they built a new training facility after that), and said that AB wasn\'t really a leader (he went to leadership school the following offseason), and that AB hurt the line\'s play by backing out of blocking schemes (is that still a problem?)? Yeah, that was a bad move.

But those personnel moves are not why I think the Saints should fire Jim Haslett. My rationale is very simple and as mush as you want to try and twist things, it remains the same. Shall I explain again?

With more talent than this team has ever seen, Jim Haslett has gone:

9-7, 7-9, 8-8, 7-8. The major areas of need in 2001 are the same as they are today - MLB, DT, CB. The tackles are a problem, why, because both LT and RT are different than they were three years ago. He also has lead the team to some impressive stats - wanna hear \'em? 1 of only 6 teams in NFL history to start 7-2 and not make the playoffs. In the final three games he lost to two last place teams, one of which was winless. This year\'s defense might not set NFL records, as it was on pace to do previously, but it is undoubtedly the worst in my lifetime. He\'s revamped the defense twice and now has given them two years to \"gel\" without any major injuries on D this season. That\'s enough, without any talk about which players he did or didn\'t keep and who the QB is.

Now Billy, oh wise one, please enlighten us all on why Haslett deserves to stay.