Kenny Vaccaro's "new role"
 

Now that Payton has said Kenny isn't technically benched , he just has a "new role", what do you think that new role is?

IMO I think it means he's going back to the big nickel slot guy.

So if that's the case, who are the starters at FS and SS?

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Warren and Ball perhaps?

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I reckon this?

Sanford/SS
Warren/FS

I really wish Sunseri was healthy...

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His new role is bench warmer.

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Thats kinda what I was thinking, but the darkhorse in this equation might be Corey White.

Experts projected him as a safety, and he'd probably make a pretty good SS or FS, or in today's NFL he'd actually be a #2 FS, but with more physical attributes. Kind of a cross between a free and strong.

Corey excels at the nickle CB position, so replacing White with Vaccaro may not be the best move.

Maybe Vaccaro in big nickel sets, and White in standard nickel sets?

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If Ryan goes to the three safety most of the time like last year and it works; I'm gonna be pissed off.

If it took them 14 weeks to make a "working" change :doh:

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I muddled around with that "Corey White-to-Safety Dilemma" for a bit, too, but backed off...he's got good size & pop for both safety spots. But like you said, you wouldn't want to take White out of a spot where he's helping out this defense.

I actually muddled around with SJB getting his noggin' head into the secondary somewhere to free up White & Vaccaro to give our defense and team more flexibility with the safety positions...but then I got really, really mad.

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Try him at MLB in a Urlacher-eqsue move? What do we have to lose?

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Yards.

He can't tackle.

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Let Kenny play the role he loves - PEST
line him up all over the place - make the QB account for him
get into as many players heads as he can.
he has a knack for ticking people off

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Sunseri should be ready next year with Byrd. With Dixon showing signs of promise and Warren flying around(Byrd's apprentice) I likd of like what I see at the least in some positions solid back-ups if not a starter in Sunseri and Dixon. We carried enough S's this year to be able to see what's there and whats not, even if we got depleted or not. I in no way shape or form think that Vaccaro getting singled out that he and the rest of the team are not going to be given a free-pass to play like sh!t and get away with it.

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I think it's possible that the article about benching Vaccaro could have just been Payton trolling Vaccaro and the media....It's been kind of obvious in the pressers that Payton really has it in for the media this year. It's a good way to punk out both the reporters AND the underperforming players, to deliberately have someone plant a story like Vaccaro getting benched, and let it fly off like a birdie and go viral....let Vaccaro hear about it through the media, and wonder WTF is going on...it seems to have calmed down Junior's petulant fingers typing on his phone, too...

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Good point...Junior & KVac are all about the social media apparently. KVac certainly cares what is said & written about him. Self-image is sacred to KVac and Payton peed on that for him. Now maybe KVac will start tackling.

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I'm liking Corey White at safety. :D

Frederick with the 1st teamers instead of SJB?:(

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Called the Corey White thing, like you, I think it may be a better fit for him.

Really want them to give SJB a shot, looked great in pre-season yet he isn't even active on game day. They guy plays press-man very well, what more is there to learn, "Hey 33 go cover #81, like you did in college for 2 years". Oh wait, I forgot we don't know how to develop defensive talent.

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SJB didn't really play great in preseason

He got beat quite easily by the rams 3rd string team for a TD, he grabbed a pick when a WR batted the pass into the air

Plus we played him vs lions, he was in for one play and his coverage assignment scored a TD.

If the coaching staff won't even put him in on special teams it sounds like a hell of a reach in the second round for a guy that isn't even close to being ready.

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It seems like our guys don't show how good they are until their contract year.

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I heard him say he started at nickel last year and one challenge he faced this year was learning a new role. I think he is going back to nickel but like you I have know idea who will take over.

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I do think we have enough secondary talent to get the job done next year. With white, Sincere, Bush, and some other practice squad guys I think we will find one or two diamonds. The FO has a great eye for talent and made an entire offense out of no name guys that got us to the SB. I hope in the offseason he takes a page out of that book. Hell we NEED to find diamonds considering our cap dilemma. I think if we can get an up and comer in FA our secondary could actually be ok next year.

Assuming we have a pass rush.

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offense is offense and defense is defense
offense has the stats to back it up
defense does not have the stats to back it up

even healthy i do not see the talent at the second level. Byrd needs more talent to be productive. with the group we have now Lewis is the only CB on the roster that helps Byrd and justifies his pay. The rest are reducing Byrd abilities to make an impact. This is a chain reaction effect.

we need a solid #2 CB that can play man. that would allow all the others to try to get it right.

White and Kenny appear to work well in the middle. But neither are quick enough to shut down a WR on quick hitters.

Bush is a solid back SS up off the bench and that is it

Sincere? brains over athletic ability? SS

Ball? serious work in progress athletic ability over brains? SS

SJB? man i knew he was a project but this is stupid. pre season ratings of a 5/6 rounder seem to have been correct. If you can not get on the feild with our secondary right now you gotta be worried.

Dixon? serious work in progress athletic ability over brains

Warren? athletic ability is there. brains seem ok. has a knack for being around the ball.

As i see it we have Lewis, Byrd, White, Bush and Kenny. that is it.

the rest are replaceable at a drop of a hat.

the secondary needs some serious talent infusion. at least 2 CB and a FS

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Yes, because PRob and White both played great during the pre-season?

PRob got worked almost every pre-season game and so did White.

He played in 1 play versus the Lions and it's the exact play my previous post talked about, if you actually read it.

Lastly, like I said in my last post our coaching staff doesn't know how to develop defensive talent. When is the last time they have drafted or groomed a quality starter? This coaching staff doesn't know talent if it hit them in the face.

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Let's take a look at the 2014 body of work for this Tall Bag of Stupid, shall we?

14 weeks for SJB: 8 Defensive Snaps, 30 Special Teams Snaps, 38 Total
SJB has been passed by Brian Dixon, UDFA: 139 Defensive Snaps, 164 Special Teams Snaps, 303 Total
SJB has since been passed over by Terrence Frederick from the Practice Squad. An CB was brought up from the Practice Squad because the coaching staff does not trust SJB enough to touch the field in any capacity yet. Yet.

Luckily Frederick is a bit of a veteran being a 2012 7th Round Pick, and something tells me we'll probably be lucky to get a 7th Round Pick for SJB in 2 or 3 years. Sorry, but I just don't like the notion of drafting "talented projects" that contribute absolutely nothing their first year in the league. I'm sure his teammates appreciate that. I know I do.

:brood:

Well, as promised. My SJB Rant. He'll be 25 years old in Training Camp next year, too, BTW. 1 year in the NFL wasted while rotting on the bench picking his nose. Tick tock, tick tock. Windows in the NFL close very quickly.

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This is exactly why he needs to be thrown out there to see what he can do. The Saints don't know how to develop defensive talent, we know this all to well. I, like you, don't want to see SJB sit on the roster for 3 years while the coaching staff reads "how to develop talent: For dummies". Get him on the field and see what he can do, if he flops then cut him and hope he clears waivers for the P squad. Fact is we don't have a #2 CB, even the almighty Dixon has struggled in that role and been beat on multiple occasions. What would you lose giving SJB a few series' as the #2?


Edit: Him being 25 years old really hurts his chances of developing at all. At this rate he'll be 30 before he sees the active roster.

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And there was me thinking Kenny Vaccaro's new roll is Holy Grille Elijah's Mediterranean roasted lamb.

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Firstly I never said that p-rob and Corey white played great, at this moment in time they have more experience than SJB so unfortunately they are the best options for us.

Secondly I did read your post, but SJB was not lined up on #81 Calvin Johnson on that play, he was lined up on the Lions 4th string WR who barely sees the field and SJB just stood round with his arms up while that WR caught the uncontested TD pass.

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This thread is depressing. :brood:

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You know.. what he was drafted to do....