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Saint_LB 01-06-2005 07:02 PM

Who was NE's QB before Brady?
 
Oh, yeah, Bledsoe. It's amazing that he go hurt, and his replacement took them all the way to the big dance. Ever hear of a guy named Tommy Maddox. Didn't he use to play QB somewhere, until he got hurt and some rookie came in and hasn't lost a game yet. I guess some guys are replaceable, and some aren't.

WhoDat 01-06-2005 10:14 PM

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Todd Bouman ain\'t exactly the guy to put NO on the map my man. ;)

duece4pres 01-07-2005 04:01 AM

Who was NE's QB before Brady?
 
Amen to that WhoDat!!

Saint_LB 01-07-2005 06:04 AM

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Todd Bouman ain\'t exactly the guy to put NO on the map my man. ;)
I would tend to agree with that, but, that\'s not the point. Would Jake Delhomme have put us on that map, or maybe Bulger. How about a rookie named Ben or Eli. The point is that everybody is replaceable, and sometimes the results are surprising....but, how will we ever know if someone else could guide our offense and team to the promised land. We are going to get AB shoved down our throat, as long as Haz has anything to say about it, even if he is hurt, and that\'s what makes him undesirable as a head coach. I guess there\'s no other word for it but stubborness.

dberce1 01-07-2005 08:01 AM

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JT O\'Sullivan anybody?

saintswhodi 01-07-2005 09:22 AM

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That\'s the frustrating thing dberce. I think we all know we would have struggled at times with J.T., but it\'s even more frustrating that we have to struggle with Leon, cause he HAS the talent. I don\'t think anyone ever denied that. Where that talent goes on most Sundays, God only knows. But it\'s more frustrating to struggle with him than it would be to struggle without him. I get so sick of fans of other teams saying how talented Brooks is UNTIL they watch him actually play. It\'s easier to understand struggling with a guy who may not have all the talent in the world but lays it on the line every game, than it is to understand struggling with a guy who has ALL the talent, and talent around him, and can\'t put it together in 4 some odd years.

FireVenturi 01-07-2005 01:59 PM

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Yea if we had Jake and say carolina\'s D maybe we could get to the SB

spkb25 01-07-2005 05:40 PM

Who was NE's QB before Brady?
 
well looking at our situtation in hindsight is a mother f@@ker. i think that most of probally thought aroon was the right guy for the job. i always liked jake but not to the point where i thought he would be as good or have a s much talent as brooks. but sometimes its heart and not talent.

but be honest for one second earlier this year noone was screaming for jake with the way he was playing. getting rid of j.t. was something we had to do to get mckenzie. i think jt may be good in this league. he would have at some point maybe helped us. mckenzie is already paying dividends. we dont know what jt will ever be but i did like the kid also. to me he seems like he will be good. but we dont know. i dont thiink the team or org. wanted to get rid of him. sometimes u mkae choices u hope dont come back and get u. right now i\'d like to stick with brooks for one more year because he gives us our best chance of winning. i\'d like to see if we can do something next year. if not then it is time to rebuild. coaching stafff and all. just my thoughts

Tobias-Reiper 01-07-2005 05:55 PM

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but be honest for one second earlier this year noone was screaming for jake with the way he was playing.
... and no one was making excuses for him either..
..you know...
.. only the center staying over from the year before...
... no Stephen Davis..
... no LeShaun Foster..
... no Steve Smith,,
... etc...

.. and no one was making excuses for the Panthers defense either..
.... you know...
... rookie CB...
... staring MLB out for almost half the season with concussions...
... replacement MLB coming off surviving cancer...
... stud DT out...
... etc... etc...

... nope... Jake and the Panthers were expected to perform despite the 14-member IR list... no excuses for them... then again, neither Jake nor the Panthers need them..

BlackandBlue 01-07-2005 06:04 PM

Who was NE's QB before Brady?
 
Should we draft a QB this year? If so, who and what round? I\'m interested in the answers we\'ll see on this. I have an idea of who I\'d like to see brought in, but I\'m not sure he\'ll be there when we pick in the 2nd round.

saintswhodi 01-07-2005 06:10 PM

Who was NE's QB before Brady?
 
BNB, if we can get Smith from Utah round two, take him If not, Jason Campbell round three. But with other needs, I don\'t see them going Smith that high. Hopefully he falls to the third and we nab him.

BlackandBlue 01-08-2005 12:10 AM

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Kyper was on the radio yesterday talking like Smith would go first round, and depending on how he does this offseason, could work his way up into the top 10. The one thing he said that stuck out to me was there were many that thought at the end of last season, that Rivers would go at the bottom of the 1st, and he worked his way up. He also mentioned that my pick, Frye, could land himself in the 1st round as well. I don\'t like Kyper, because I think he\'s an arrogant jerk, but the guy watches a helluva lot more college football than I do.

FireVenturi 01-08-2005 08:54 AM

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BNB, if we can get Smith from Utah round two, take him If not, Jason Campbell round three. But with other needs, I don\'t see them going Smith that high. Hopefully he falls to the third and we nab him.
I also like either Smith or Campbell, but at the earliest in the second. I do like AB, but i agree he does need someone to push him, and BOOman is not the guy for the job!

FireVenturi 01-08-2005 08:55 AM

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Kyper was on the radio yesterday talking like Smith would go first round, and depending on how he does this offseason, could work his way up into the top 10. The one thing he said that stuck out to me was there were many that thought at the end of last season, that Rivers would go at the bottom of the 1st, and he worked his way up. He also mentioned that my pick, Frye, could land himself in the 1st round as well. I don\'t like Kyper, because I think he\'s an arrogant jerk, but the guy watches a helluva lot more college football than I do.
Can u ellaborate on Frye?

spkb25 01-08-2005 08:55 AM

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tobias i do think people were blaming it on the injuriues. rightfully so. but what the panthers did was amzing. im not comparing jake and brooks. i think brooks attitude is a cancer. but i think what i said was jake was playing bad the first half of the season and they didnt have all of those injuries for some of the games he played terrible in. i do think we need to draft for a new qb but keep brooks around one more year to give the new qb a year to learn or maybe even two

FireVenturi 01-08-2005 09:04 AM

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tobias i do think people were blaming it on the injuriues. rightfully so. but what the panthers did was amzing. im not comparing jake and brooks. i think brooks attitude is a cancer. but i think what i said was jake was playing bad the first half of the season and they didnt have all of those injuries for some of the games he played terrible in. i do think we need to draft for a new qb but keep brooks around one more year to give the new qb a year to learn or maybe even two
Right we can have a situation like the chargers. draft a guy to light a fire under Brooks\' A$$

spkb25 01-08-2005 09:06 AM

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it be nice fire venturi wouldnt it

BlackandBlue 01-08-2005 09:40 AM

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The first time I heard Frye\'s name was while I was talking to a friend of mine who attends Penn State. They played Akron where Frye is the QB. My friend referred to him as a field general, because of how he commanded the other offensive players, both on and off the field, Said he has that \"something\". Little more investigation brought the following information:

From ESPN:
Age: 23 years old
Height: 6\' 4\"
Weight: 228lbs
Hometown: Willard, Ohio

From Fox Sports:
With tremendous all-around ability, Frye can do it all with over 625 career rushing yards to go along with being Akron\'s all-time leading passer with 8,426 yards. He\'s a tall quarterback with decent size and tremendous speed for a 225-pound player. With a great arm and a new passer-friendly West Coast offense installed by the new Zip coaching staff, he should be lighting up the NCAA stat charts all year long.

Beyond all the physical attributes, Frye has the total command of his team. \"He\'s been a leader for this team the last three seasons both on and off the field,\" said Akron head coach J.D. Brookhart. \"He\'s someone the rest of the team respects a great deal.\"

He\'s big, fast and deadly accurate running a solid 4.6 in the 40 while able to use his body well around the goal line. When he\'s on, he\'s a brutally efficient passer and as accurate as any quarterback in the nation. There might not be a better throwing passer on the run. To go along with all the other positives, he works his tail off and plays well through nicks and bruises.

He will need a few years to develop, but were not exactly looking for him to start right away, either. Well, some of us... ;)

saintswhodi 01-08-2005 10:16 AM

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Interesting artivle on Frye BNB. Honestly, I have not heard that much about him but he sounds like a good prospect. I think depending on what we do in the first round and free agency decides if we look qb second or third round. If in free agency we get one good lb and maybe Smoot or a tackle like Walter Jones and move Gandy to RT for a year, then having addressed those needs we can look qb in the 2nd at the earliest. Of course since we will still have Haslett, you can probably bet qb won\'t be a priority at all.

Tobias-Reiper 01-08-2005 11:12 AM

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Should we draft a QB this year? If so, who and what round? I\'m interested in the answers we\'ll see on this. I have an idea of who I\'d like to see brought in, but I\'m not sure he\'ll be there when we pick in the 2nd round.
... with the talent this offense has (Deuce, Stecker, Karney, Horn,etc.. ) I would try to get a solid veteran who understands the game, makes few mistakes, still has some gas in the tank, and knows how to be a leader... there are a couple out there that can be had for cheap...

... call me crazy, but I would love to see Trent Dilfer in B&G... he would be in a situation here where his job would be not to make mistakes, and feed the ball to the playmakers (Horn, Deuce)...

..and, before you call me crazy, think about it for a minute :)

WhoDat 01-08-2005 11:54 AM

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BnB, I think I\'m in love. ;)

WhoDat 01-08-2005 11:56 AM

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PS - Tobias, I think you\'re right. The thing the offense lacks most is consistency (and leadership). I\'ve argues for years that this offense really needs a smart QB who can distribute the ball quickly, and who knows his role. Use the Favre approach - just make first downs. I think that would work far better than the athlete we got back there now.

FireVenturi 01-08-2005 12:23 PM

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Should we draft a QB this year? If so, who and what round? I\'m interested in the answers we\'ll see on this. I have an idea of who I\'d like to see brought in, but I\'m not sure he\'ll be there when we pick in the 2nd round.
... with the talent this offense has (Deuce, Stecker, Karney, Horn,etc.. ) I would try to get a solid veteran who understands the game, makes few mistakes, still has some gas in the tank, and knows how to be a leader... there are a couple out there that can be had for cheap...

... call me crazy, but I would love to see Trent Dilfer in B&G... he would be in a situation here where his job would be not to make mistakes, and feed the ball to the playmakers (Horn, Deuce)...

..and, before you call me crazy, think about it for a minute :)
Dilfer as a back-up....right??

D_it_up 01-08-2005 12:42 PM

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Viewing past drafts from Haz and Co., if a QB is selected, he will most likely come from Ohio State or Georgia. They seem to love those schools. I wouldn\'t be surprised at all to see David Greene drafted in the 2nd round. Then that would prove to me that the 2nd round is where the Saints always screw it up.

Tobias-Reiper 01-08-2005 01:35 PM

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Dilfer as a back-up....right??
.. no, as a starter... did you not read the rest of the thread?

spkb25 01-08-2005 02:04 PM

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i agree with u tobias but not on dilfer. he has done nothing in his career. the superbowl he won was not because of him or the o. their d was just ridiculous. but ur idea is solid.

shreveportsaint 01-08-2005 02:33 PM

Who was NE's QB before Brady?
 
I wouldn\'t mind seeing Brady\'s backup come down to New Orleans. I think Rohan would be a great fit!!

Tobias-Reiper 01-08-2005 04:33 PM

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i agree with u tobias but not on dilfer. he has done nothing in his career. the superbowl he won was not because of him or the o. their d was just ridiculous. but ur idea is solid.
.. but that\'s just the thing... Dilfer knows he can\'t win games on his own... he knows he needs to utilize the talent around him to win... he knows what is expected of him, that is not lose the game or put his team on a hole...

..obviously it doesn\'t have to be Dilfer... I happen to like Dilfer, and I still think he fot a raw deal in Baltimore.. but you do see what I am saying? A QB who knows he has to utilize the talent around him to win, and knows how to use it... a lil\' character wouldn\'t hurt either... :)

... there are a couple other QB\'s out there that I wouldn\'t mind seeing in B&G... off the top of my head I can see Kitna, Dilfer, heck even Flutie ... obviously they wouldn\'t be the future, but for the next 1-2 years, could give the Saints some stability and veteran leadership at QB, and a better shot at reaching higher places, with the added incentive that they will teach the rookies...


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