SI - All Rookie Team... Pierre Warren?
 

Wow, didn't see that coming. Congrats Pierre!!!

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Good for him
I have been surprised how much Pryor has struggled

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See! There is a bright spot on our defense.:cool:

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With Warren and Byrd we could see a lot more success in our cover 2 packages next year.

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Outstanding!

It all started in training camp .... he has the desire and hunger to be a very good player. Well done Pierre :bng:

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+1. I already see a positive going into next year. Add Sunseri to the mix and a key FA acquisition or two and we are back.

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Which begs the question, why the hell did our FO waive him?

Do any of the coaches even know what they are doing? He was easily our best defender in preseason and probably regular season too.

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We decided to keep an extra SS in lieu of a FS, likely because of the physical demands of our SS's.

We already had FS's in Byrd, Bush, and Sunseri but only had Vaccaro as a true SS. Ball is primarily an in the box safety.

Ball was probably a better option (on paper) due to the number of safeties we had that could play FS (Byrd, Bush and Sunseri).

Warren is a pure centerfield safety.

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Good for this young man, I like him a lot. Think there's a strong possibility he is a nickel defender next year with Bush getting cut/traded.

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That's fair enough when you explain it like that, I just hope Warrens done enough to prove to the coaches they made a big mistake letting him go originally

He and Byrd could make a fantastic coverage tandem next year in obvious passing downs.

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I think with Byrd and Warren FS is set. Vaccaro and Sunseri as SS will be a good combo. Lewis, Robinson and a #2 FA CB we will be in pretty good shape in the backfield. White still plays well in the slot and with the best ILB in the draft and a NT in the draft we could be a really good D. My players I'll be watching from this year for improvement is Edibali and Powell if they can step up at the OLB position look out. JR. on passing downs makes taking another speed rusher in the draft a bad move in my book anyway. We have a high dollar 1 trick pony that is good at what he does the best already. But none of this will matter without the front push so give me my stud NT.

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Up front still scares me

Jordan disappeared all year
As did the supposed "breakout player" Akiem Hicks
Junior was hit and miss, garbage against the run but #2 in the league in QB hurries

I said at the start of the season, that other players would flourish if Akiem Hicks played well because the QB's would not be able to step up

Akiem Hicks sucked all season, which in turn made the outside guys play badly too.

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You get no disagreement from me, they stunk it up but with a stud nose in the middle of Hicks and Jordan that might be a very good set up front, I would still like a swing-man late in the draft for depth to not miss a beat. Jordan is kind of a wild-card because of the contract, he might want top money this could be a tough call.

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Seems like we would have way to many safeties... lol let's just field 11 safeties. Why bother rushing the passer?

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Don't think it's a tough call at all, let him walk. Hell I think he should walk now and isn't worth the 7 mil he is going to get in 2015... That said look at my picture, I used to support Jordan but you can't drop off like he did and still want a payday.

Hicks should be benched, we need to find better talent up front. In my opinion the biggest need on the team is actually the D-line.

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yet another slap in the face for the saints and personnel moves. think they will learn?

congrats Pierre

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I can go with this

I can not go with this

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I'd like byrd and warren overtop then maybe have vaccaro play down by scrimmage next year. It'd only work if we could get ANY pressure on the QB though. The D line stunk it up just as bad as the secondary.

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Why not Vaccaro and Sunseri? I'm assuming Bush will also be on the team so I think it looks good (on paper). I think Vaccaro went through a Sophomore slump. I think he improves greatly his 3rd season.

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This is kick ass been high on him since training camp. Good going young man keep it up.

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The league is moving away from the SS role all together, and so should we. We need to start two FS's Byrd and Warren with Bush backing them both up.

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Traditional SS yes, but I think the big nickel packages are still important with all the big receivers and the WR/TE hybrids. Vaccaro is perfect for it if he remembers how to tackle.

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I don't think Vaccaro has any skill that Warren doesn't have, I still say the 2 FS's is the way to go. However, Bush is another FS that is better than Vaccaro at everything including tackling.

Vaccaro in my mind is trade bait, but Ryan loves him like a son so we'll stick with Scott Shanle v.2...

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Vaccaro - Both Rob andKenny have admitted he is better suited as a hybrid S/CB than as a true SS. Sophomore slump is not the issue as much as trying to turn him into something even his college coaches knew he was not. true SS

as for the rest

Bush - solid back up that is all. not a starter
Sunseri - special teams developmental that has not shown enough yet.

conclusion Byrd does not have a SS back there to him maximize his skill set and justify that cap hit.

Just like we build around Drew now we need to build around Byrd also.

kenny has a spot on this team lining up all over the place driving a QB and WR crazy.

Warren as a dull set with Byrd? sorry he has not shown he can tackle in the open well enough much less plug lanes to help the defense against the run. he may make us regret the cap hit of Byrd down the road but not yet. we have a solid developmental FS now.

those two on the feild on third and mile? yep i can see that

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I agree with most of this except the Vaccarro bit. Drive quarterbacks crazy is laughable. Uh-Oh Kenny Vaccarro is over there. I'm scared now. LOL!!!

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ok i grinned too when i wrote it :p

I am holding out hope for a miss use of kenny vs a sophomore slump. last year he was much better lining up all over the place and ticking people off.

If you can get under steve smiths skin enough to screw with his game that is saying a lot. probably that one game at home against the panthers was his best IMO. that is what i am hanging my hat on with him. a pest

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How the FO let him go is baffling...

Really puts their credibility on shaky ground at best...

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Sure he had a down sophomore yr but to trade a 1st rounder who had played like a vet his rookie year, you want to trade him? That's crazy! What will you say if warren have a bad sophomore year?

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come on now leave scott out of this. they brought in fA and drafted players to replace him and he always played. give the some credit.

Neither Kenny or Warren were very good tacklers this year. so i have to agree. my sister could break many of those lip noodle arm tackles and so called big hit tackles so many bounced off of.

but with the way we tackled as a team i hate to go dual so so tackling safeties back there.

gee i wonder who that could have been? i do not think the FO had a thing to do with this one. just look at the group carbon copied talent as a whole and the answer is pretty clear.

if it is the front office because they signed so many FA and added a player in the draft it is a saving face move that blew up and yep he should be shown the door with a few of these players he used to protect himself with.