For all those ready for the draft...

jnormand · 12-28-2014, 03:26 PM

Are you guys seriously insinuating that the Saints should've just lost the game so they could get a top 10 pick?

I'm not an NFL player but I am a fan and I've played competitive sports. That said, there is no way in hell I tank a game purposely to get a higher draft pick. And I probably wouldn't be a fan of this team if it rolled over and purposely lost to move up in the draft.

That's disgusting.

K Major · 12-28-2014, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Are you guys seriously insinuating that the Saints should've just lost the game so they could get a top 10 pick?

I'm not an NFL player but I am a fan and I've played competitive sports. That said, there is no way in hell I tank a game purposely to get a higher draft pick. And I probably wouldn't be a fan of this team if it rolled over and purposely lost to move up in the draft.

That's disgusting.

+1. Head scratcher for me as well.

VegasSaint9 · 12-28-2014, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

+1. Head scratcher for me as well.

Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball.

jnormand · 12-28-2014, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball.

Purposely losing a game is not what players, coaches or organizations that have any self respect would do.

I agree with you that this team was terrible this season. But your argument about why they should've just purposely lost this game is like complaining that Drew Brees beat up your fantasy teams defense or hoping for bad fortune against your own team so your fantasy team will win.

Who cares if the Bucs get Mariota? If they wanted him they would get him anyway. And I really doubt dropping a couple spots in the draft is going to make or brake the Saints next season.

I respect your opinion on all of this. I just don't agree man.

VegasSaint9 · 12-28-2014, 04:26 PM

I'm not saying tank the game, but we were down late, just play the young guys and see what you have in them. If they won the game then so be it, but to have all our starters out there was just dumb. If Brees got hurt we'd have been screwed for a while. Maybe play some guys and use them as trade bait to get more picks because its going to take a miracle to fix this team even if we have what looks to be a cakewalk schedule next year. I don't like them tanking very much either but i also wouldnt care since its week 17 and we're out. Tanking more games then i see the issue. If you start tanking for picks say week 14 then i see the issue, in our circumstance, i dont see the issue.

Mr.Riaton · 12-28-2014, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

I'm not saying tank the game, but we were down late, just play the young guys and see what you have in them. If they won the game then so be it, but to have all our starters out there was just dumb. If Brees got hurt we'd have been screwed for a while. Maybe play some guys and use them as trade bait to get more picks because its going to take a miracle to fix this team even if we have what looks to be a cakewalk schedule next year. I don't like them tanking very much either but i also wouldnt care since its week 17 and we're out. Tanking more games then i see the issue. If you start tanking for picks say week 14 then i see the issue, in our circumstance, i dont see the issue.

I agree with you on why were our starters were out there when you could have given some quality playing time to our back ups,especially Griffin. Also, why was Graham playing if he's hurt....or is he?

K Major · 12-28-2014, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball.

Oakland and Cleveland get " top picks" just about every year.
How has it worked out for them over the last decade?
You play to WIN regardless of record.

As another poster stated before ....its not where you pick, but who you pick. This is chess, its not checkers.

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2014, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball.

Google the top 10 draft picks over the past 10 years. It's about as much a crapshoot as our draft position

VegasSaint9 · 12-28-2014, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Google the top 10 draft picks over the past 10 years. It's about as much a crapshoot as our draft position

I mean, I guess, but I'd rather at least have a better chance at a better player so we can make the best selection possible for the organization, but thats just me. To be honest it probably doesn't matter who we select since we suck at developing defensive players.

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2014, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

I mean, I guess, but I'd rather at least have a better chance at a better player so we can make the best selection possible for the organization, but thats just me. To be honest it probably doesn't matter who we select since we suck at developing defensive players.

The second part of your statement should answer the first.

My hope is that coaching changes finally happen.

12-28-2014, 03:26 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Are you guys seriously insinuating that the Saints should've just lost the game so they could get a top 10 pick? I'm not an NFL player but I am a fan and I've played competitive sports. That said, there is no way in hell I tank a game purposely to get a higher draft pick. And I probably wouldn't be a fan of this team if it rolled over and purposely lost to move up in the draft. That's disgusting. Danno, B_Dub_Saint, arsaint and 3 others like this.

12-28-2014, 03:49 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by jnormand Are you guys seriously insinuating that the Saints should've just lost the game so they could get a top 10 pick? I'm not an NFL player but I am a fan and I've played competitive sports. That said, there is no way in hell I tank a game purposely to get a higher draft pick. And I probably wouldn't be a fan of this team if it rolled over and purposely lost to move up in the draft. That's disgusting. +1. Head scratcher for me as well. saintsfan1976 likes this.

12-28-2014, 04:02 PM	#3
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by K Major +1. Head scratcher for me as well. Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball. Sarik likes this.

12-28-2014, 04:17 PM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball. Purposely losing a game is not what players, coaches or organizations that have any self respect would do. I agree with you that this team was terrible this season. But your argument about why they should've just purposely lost this game is like complaining that Drew Brees beat up your fantasy teams defense or hoping for bad fortune against your own team so your fantasy team will win. Who cares if the Bucs get Mariota? If they wanted him they would get him anyway. And I really doubt dropping a couple spots in the draft is going to make or brake the Saints next season. I respect your opinion on all of this. I just don't agree man. ChrisXVI and K Major like this.

12-28-2014, 04:26 PM	#5
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: For all those ready for the draft... I'm not saying tank the game, but we were down late, just play the young guys and see what you have in them. If they won the game then so be it, but to have all our starters out there was just dumb. If Brees got hurt we'd have been screwed for a while. Maybe play some guys and use them as trade bait to get more picks because its going to take a miracle to fix this team even if we have what looks to be a cakewalk schedule next year. I don't like them tanking very much either but i also wouldnt care since its week 17 and we're out. Tanking more games then i see the issue. If you start tanking for picks say week 14 then i see the issue, in our circumstance, i dont see the issue.

12-28-2014, 04:32 PM	#6
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,290	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 I'm not saying tank the game, but we were down late, just play the young guys and see what you have in them. If they won the game then so be it, but to have all our starters out there was just dumb. If Brees got hurt we'd have been screwed for a while. Maybe play some guys and use them as trade bait to get more picks because its going to take a miracle to fix this team even if we have what looks to be a cakewalk schedule next year. I don't like them tanking very much either but i also wouldnt care since its week 17 and we're out. Tanking more games then i see the issue. If you start tanking for picks say week 14 then i see the issue, in our circumstance, i dont see the issue. I agree with you on why were our starters were out there when you could have given some quality playing time to our back ups,especially Griffin. Also, why was Graham playing if he's hurt....or is he?

12-28-2014, 04:30 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball. Oakland and Cleveland get " top picks" just about every year. How has it worked out for them over the last decade? You play to WIN regardless of record. As another poster stated before ....its not where you pick, but who you pick. This is chess, its not checkers.

12-28-2014, 04:50 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,974 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Whats the point? This way we get a better shot at a better player. Not only did you just hand the Buccaneers a competent Qb in Mariota, but we lost a top ten pick. For what, pride? What pride? This team lost all of it letting Carolina walk all over them in the dome. Losing to Atlanta for the division title last week, etc, theres at least 10 instances this season where they lost a lot of dignity as a football team.. This team needs to rebuild big time starting from the lines on both sides of the ball. Google the top 10 draft picks over the past 10 years. It's about as much a crapshoot as our draft position saintfan likes this.

12-28-2014, 04:54 PM	#9
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Google the top 10 draft picks over the past 10 years. It's about as much a crapshoot as our draft position I mean, I guess, but I'd rather at least have a better chance at a better player so we can make the best selection possible for the organization, but thats just me. To be honest it probably doesn't matter who we select since we suck at developing defensive players.

12-28-2014, 05:01 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,974 Blog Entries: 3	Re: For all those ready for the draft... Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 I mean, I guess, but I'd rather at least have a better chance at a better player so we can make the best selection possible for the organization, but thats just me. To be honest it probably doesn't matter who we select since we suck at developing defensive players. The second part of your statement should answer the first. My hope is that coaching changes finally happen. VegasSaint9 likes this.

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