Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC(Staying in N.O.)

spkb25 · 12-28-2014, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Thought McGriff was a great hire when they got him and the secondary was great in his first year. You can't watch our DB play this year though and not single out the secondary coach. Young guys didn't perform, but what's even worse they didn't improve throughout the year.

running all around like they didn't even know where to line up. terrible.

Johnson certainly needs to leave. whoever the LB coach is can get the hell out too. We need someone that instills a nasty attitude.

jeanpierre · 12-29-2014, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

running all around like they didn't even know where to line up. terrible. Johnson certainly needs to leave. whoever the LB coach is can get the hell out too. We need someone that instills a nasty attitude.

That would be Joe Vitt, Sr...

His son Joe Vitt, Jr is a Saints scout...

Foot Stomper · 12-29-2014, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That would be Joe Vitt, Sr...

His son Joe Vitt, Jr is a Saints scout...

Payton and Vitt are close. Read about it his book. He isn't going anywhere. Best to hope for is somekind of promotion out of the LB group.

Danno · 12-29-2014, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Foot Stomper

Payton and Vitt are close. Read about it his book. He isn't going anywhere. Best to hope for is somekind of promotion out of the LB group.

He's already the assistant head coach. I don't think he's the problem with our LB's.

burningmetal · 12-29-2014, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He's already the assistant head coach. I don't think he's the problem with our LB's.

He may not be the only problem, but he's clearly not the solution. He's been here for a long, long time and we continue to get next to nothing out of that position group.

If a coach is worth anything, he can't make excuses about talent, or lack thereof, for his entire career. At some point, you have to show an ability to develop players. He has not done that.

Danno · 12-29-2014, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He may not be the only problem, but he's clearly not the solution. He's been here for a long, long time and we continue to get next to nothing out of that position group.

If a coach is worth anything, he can't make excuses about talent, or lack thereof, for his entire career. At some point, you have to show an ability to develop players. He has not done that.

But every LB thats left here and gone elswhere hasn't played any better. Cassillas and Dunbar are playing just about the same with their new teams as they did here.

Lofton, Vilma, Hawthorne, Humber and Haralson didn't play worse when they came here.

Martez Wilson was even worse when he left here.

I think we simply suck at drafting LB's. There's really no evidence at all that suggests its coaching, but there's plenty of evidence that says we suck at picking LB's.

Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round.

|Mitch| · 12-29-2014, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round.

These mid round "projects" must stop! I would love to see a true beast linebacker drafted, it's almost like Payton doesn't value the defense at all.

NonieT · 12-30-2014, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

But every LB thats left here and gone elswhere hasn't played any better. Cassillas and Dunbar are playing just about the same with their new teams as they did here.

Lofton, Vilma, Hawthorne, Humber and Haralson didn't play worse when they came here.

Martez Wilson was even worse when he left here.

I think we simply suck at drafting LB's. There's really no evidence at all that suggests its coaching, but there's plenty of evidence that says we suck at picking LB's.

Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round.

Martez Wilson was picked in the 3rd round.

burningmetal · 01-04-2015, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

But every LB thats left here and gone elswhere hasn't played any better. Cassillas and Dunbar are playing just about the same with their new teams as they did here.

Lofton, Vilma, Hawthorne, Humber and Haralson didn't play worse when they came here.

Martez Wilson was even worse when he left here.

I think we simply suck at drafting LB's. There's really no evidence at all that suggests its coaching, but there's plenty of evidence that says we suck at picking LB's.

Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round.

Maybe those guys would do better elsewhere if they got off to better starts. Like most things in life, when you develop bad habits it's hard to shake it. We do suck at drafting LB's (as we do with most everything lately) but you still have to find a way to develop at least a couple players over this long period of time. And by the way, I'm quite sure any decision regarding LB's through the draft or free agency, is endorsed by Vitt before it goes through. As a position coach, you have to evaluate talent, not just coach it. So either way you want to look at it, he's not very good at his job.

12-28-2014, 10:28 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Thought McGriff was a great hire when they got him and the secondary was great in his first year. You can't watch our DB play this year though and not single out the secondary coach. Young guys didn't perform, but what's even worse they didn't improve throughout the year. running all around like they didn't even know where to line up. terrible. Johnson certainly needs to leave. whoever the LB coach is can get the hell out too. We need someone that instills a nasty attitude. VegasSaint9 likes this.

12-29-2014, 08:20 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by spkb25 running all around like they didn't even know where to line up. terrible. Johnson certainly needs to leave. whoever the LB coach is can get the hell out too. We need someone that instills a nasty attitude. That would be Joe Vitt, Sr... His son Joe Vitt, Jr is a Saints scout...

12-29-2014, 08:36 AM	#3
Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by jeanpierre That would be Joe Vitt, Sr... His son Joe Vitt, Jr is a Saints scout... Payton and Vitt are close. Read about it his book. He isn't going anywhere. Best to hope for is somekind of promotion out of the LB group.

12-29-2014, 08:41 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by Foot Stomper Payton and Vitt are close. Read about it his book. He isn't going anywhere. Best to hope for is somekind of promotion out of the LB group. He's already the assistant head coach. I don't think he's the problem with our LB's.

12-29-2014, 04:58 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by Danno He's already the assistant head coach. I don't think he's the problem with our LB's. He may not be the only problem, but he's clearly not the solution. He's been here for a long, long time and we continue to get next to nothing out of that position group. If a coach is worth anything, he can't make excuses about talent, or lack thereof, for his entire career. At some point, you have to show an ability to develop players. He has not done that. halloween 65 likes this.

12-29-2014, 06:13 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by burningmetal He may not be the only problem, but he's clearly not the solution. He's been here for a long, long time and we continue to get next to nothing out of that position group. If a coach is worth anything, he can't make excuses about talent, or lack thereof, for his entire career. At some point, you have to show an ability to develop players. He has not done that. But every LB thats left here and gone elswhere hasn't played any better. Cassillas and Dunbar are playing just about the same with their new teams as they did here. Lofton, Vilma, Hawthorne, Humber and Haralson didn't play worse when they came here. Martez Wilson was even worse when he left here. I think we simply suck at drafting LB's. There's really no evidence at all that suggests its coaching, but there's plenty of evidence that says we suck at picking LB's. Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round. \|Mitch\|, ChrisXVI and CharityMike like this.

12-29-2014, 06:21 PM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by Danno Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round. These mid round "projects" must stop! I would love to see a true beast linebacker drafted, it's almost like Payton doesn't value the defense at all.

12-30-2014, 06:08 PM	#8
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by Danno But every LB thats left here and gone elswhere hasn't played any better. Cassillas and Dunbar are playing just about the same with their new teams as they did here. Lofton, Vilma, Hawthorne, Humber and Haralson didn't play worse when they came here. Martez Wilson was even worse when he left here. I think we simply suck at drafting LB's. There's really no evidence at all that suggests its coaching, but there's plenty of evidence that says we suck at picking LB's. Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round. Martez Wilson was picked in the 3rd round.
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921

01-04-2015, 12:24 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Wesley Mcgriff to join Vandy as the DC Originally Posted by Danno But every LB thats left here and gone elswhere hasn't played any better. Cassillas and Dunbar are playing just about the same with their new teams as they did here. Lofton, Vilma, Hawthorne, Humber and Haralson didn't play worse when they came here. Martez Wilson was even worse when he left here. I think we simply suck at drafting LB's. There's really no evidence at all that suggests its coaching, but there's plenty of evidence that says we suck at picking LB's. Of course it might help if we decided to start picking LB's before the 4th round. Maybe those guys would do better elsewhere if they got off to better starts. Like most things in life, when you develop bad habits it's hard to shake it. We do suck at drafting LB's (as we do with most everything lately) but you still have to find a way to develop at least a couple players over this long period of time. And by the way, I'm quite sure any decision regarding LB's through the draft or free agency, is endorsed by Vitt before it goes through. As a position coach, you have to evaluate talent, not just coach it. So either way you want to look at it, he's not very good at his job. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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