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spkb25 01-20-2015 05:02 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 637921)
And I'd have to disagree...

I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out"

I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he ahd one god game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know.

But the rest, I just don't see true talent.
JG has 12 sacks and 10 sacks the last two seasons. Even if you concede he is just a sack specialist, they're pretty good numbers.

lee909 01-20-2015 05:30 AM
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The problem is he got sacks in 8 games and 9 the year before. While the totals are OK they are not good enough for a man that does little else. He feasts on poor offensive lines
In the past two years he has played
Patriots,Eagles,Packers,Bengals,Steelers, and 2x Seahawks without a sack
He has 1 sack in 2 games with Cowboys and 49ers. He needs to step up in big games

spkb25 01-20-2015 05:57 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 637934)
The problem is he got sacks in 8 games and 9 the year before. While the totals are OK they are not good enough for a man that does little else. He feasts on poor offensive lines
In the past two years he has played
Patriots,Eagles,Packers,Bengals,Steelers, and 2x Seahawks without a sack
He has 1 sack in 2 games with Cowboys and 49ers. He needs to step up in big games
Good point, bro.

hagan714 01-20-2015 06:02 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
judge against the elite units only. want a trip back to a super bowl those are the teams we must measure up to. door mats are just that. door mats and teams to pad your stats with.

lee909 01-20-2015 06:11 AM
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Dennis Allen is reportable back,no word on role yet

Mr.Riaton 01-20-2015 06:19 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 637944)
Dennis Allen is reportable back,no word on role yet
He's supposed to have a senior defensive role and work with RR. Hopefully he can help out SJB.

hagan714 01-20-2015 06:21 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 637944)
Dennis Allen is reportable back,no word on role yet
http://blackandgold.com/bngforum/misc/subscribed.gif Dennis Allen the saints safety blanket if rob screws up yet again if he makes it to the start of the season.

raiders had a much better draft than saints did under allen
2014 NFL Draft Grade A Day | Oakland Raiders - DraftSeason

maybe he can help out here also

lee909 01-20-2015 06:29 AM
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Just get him on the phone to his former centre Wisniewski,

blackangold 01-20-2015 07:39 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 637921)
And I'd have to disagree...

I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out"

I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he ahd one god game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know.

But the rest, I just don't see true talent.
Byrd was an all-pro that lead the team in tackles and turnovers before getting hurt, as a safety you should never lead the team in tackles.

Gallete was only behind JJ Watt for QB pressures, and was our best player by a mile according to PFF.

Ill say that Vaccaro is a bust at the safety spot but we have a diamond in Warren who in limited reps was the best graded Safety.

NonieT 01-20-2015 08:33 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 637950)
http://blackandgold.com/bngforum/misc/subscribed.gif Dennis Allen the saints safety blanket if rob screws up yet again if he makes it to the start of the season.
If Allen coached 3-4 I might agree be he coaches 4-3.

Budsdrinker 01-20-2015 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 637970)
If Allen coached 3-4 I might agree be he coaches 4-3.
We play more 4-3 then 3-4 now

brees84 01-20-2015 10:41 AM
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Fangio is new bears D-coordinator.

Tobias-Reiper 01-20-2015 11:16 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
Ok.. Let's not do the politican soundbite thing here...
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 637965)
Byrd was an all-pro
Yes, was selected as 2nd team All-Pro, behind Earl Thomas and Eric Berry, after the 2013 season in Buffalo.

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... that lead the team in tackles and turnovers before getting hurt, as a safety you should never lead the team in tackles.
He didn't lead the team in turnovers. He had none. He did however made Julio Jones fumble the first game of the season. That was his only forced fumble.

So you say he lead the team in tackles... ok... but then you look at passes defended, 2. Then you think, a Free Safety defending only 2 passes, but making 17 tackles... and makes you wonder... seems he had a high number of tackles for a safety because he was tackling receivers|TE's after they made the catch... which is no good.

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Gallete was only behind JJ Watt for QB pressures,
Please, do not put Galette.
And JJ Watt on the same sentence.

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...for QB pressures,and was our best player by a mile according to PFF.
Then PFF is full of ****, and were not watching either Keenan Lewis, or the reason why Galette was anywhere near the QB. I would also like to see PFF's definition of "QB pressure". "Being around 5yds from QB", not really QB pressure.

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Ill say that Vaccaro is a bust at the safety spot but we have a diamond in Warren who in limited reps was the best graded Safety.
That Vaccaro is a SF and Warren is a FS notwithstanding:

Warren was the best graded safety... cool... probably because his 2 INTs from the Bears game... then other 5 games he played in, not so hot.

So, one very good rookie season and one bad season makes a player a bust, whereas 1 good game and 5 meh to bad games makes someone a diamond in the rough.Sounds legit.

hagan714 01-20-2015 01:15 PM
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34? 43? 62? what difference does it make we stunk

blackangold 01-20-2015 02:35 PM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 638002)
Ok.. Let's not do the politican soundbite thing here...

Yes, was selected as 2nd team All-Pro, behind Earl Thomas and Eric Berry, after the 2013 season in Buffalo.


He didn't lead the team in turnovers. He had none. He did however made Julio Jones fumble the first game of the season. That was his only forced fumble.

So you say he lead the team in tackles... ok... but then you look at passes defended, 2. Then you think, a Free Safety defending only 2 passes, but making 17 tackles... and makes you wonder... seems he had a high number of tackles for a safety because he was tackling receivers|TE's after they made the catch... which is no good.


Please, do not put Galette.
And JJ Watt on the same sentence.


Then PFF is full of ****, and were not watching either Keenan Lewis, or the reason why Galette was anywhere near the QB. I would also like to see PFF's definition of "QB pressure". "Being around 5yds from QB", not really QB pressure.



That Vaccaro is a SF and Warren is a FS notwithstanding:

Warren was the best graded safety... cool... probably because his 2 INTs from the Bears game... then other 5 games he played in, not so hot.

So, one very good rookie season and one bad season makes a player a bust, whereas 1 good game and 5 meh to bad games makes someone a diamond in the rough.Sounds legit.
lol...

You're one of those "my eyes see everything better" kind of people I guess.

Notice in my posts I did not mention any 'opinion', only stated fact along with highly regarded statistical info.

Also, the last time I checked; a forced fumble that is recovered by the defense would be called a turnover...

Tobias-Reiper 01-21-2015 12:07 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 638016)
lol...

You're one of those "my eyes see everything better" kind of people I guess.

Notice in my posts I did not mention any 'opinion', only stated fact along with highly regarded statistical info.

Also, the last time I checked; a forced fumble that is recovered by the defense would be called a turnover...
No. I am just the objective type.

Your "highly regarded statistics" are just that, statistics, what comes after lies, and damn lies. and not only are they stats, some of them are subjective and not assessed uniformly, such as "QB pressure". With PFF, there are different people who assess games every week, using only a set of guidelines, and based on those guidelines, it may very well be that a journeyman LB getting within a couple yards of a QB may be classified a "QB pressure", the same as a future HoF DE putting the fear of God on QBs, getting doubled and triple teamed, and still getting within 2 yards of the QB, and the QB running away from him... but we both know it is not the same thing. Or do we?

A fumble is not a turnover until someone from the defense takes possession of the ball. The player recovering the ball would be the one creating the turn over, as it is only then that possession of the ball changes. In any case, even if we move pass the semantics and we go with "he lead the team in turnovers", it's cool with me: "he lead the teams in turnovers"... with 1. WHEEEE!!!

Now, Byrd made a very good play in fumble the fumble, no question. Unfortunately that was the only good play he made in the 4 games he played.

ikecomp 01-21-2015 02:47 PM
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Rob ryan should remain exactly where he is. He did a great job his first year and a terrible job the second season (although looking at the tape most games guys were in position to make plays but just couldn't. Not really the coaches fault but I digress)

If the defense stinks it up 2 seasons in a row then I agree he should go but right now we need to let it play out this year.

jeanpierre 01-21-2015 05:39 PM
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Have been laughing since 3pm over this...

Secretary had been looking over my shoulder all day while I had the Saints page up...

She goes "oh, END around"...

I says "What?"

She says "Well, I thought it said reach...nevermind..."

Another hilarious awkward moment at my office...LMAO...

K Major 01-21-2015 06:23 PM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 637995)
Fangio is new bears D-coordinator.
Damn, really? Didn't see that one coming. I thought he was signed, sealed and delivered to the Redskins.

st thomas 01-25-2015 07:06 PM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
exactly what I been saying ,no leadership what so ever just a bunch of hee haw yakking like galete. no one wants to put money where there mouth is as they say.we need big time veteran leadership. or any at all.

spkb25 01-26-2015 08:08 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
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Originally Posted by ikecomp (Post 638181)
Rob ryan should remain exactly where he is. He did a great job his first year and a terrible job the second season (although looking at the tape most games guys were in position to make plays but just couldn't. Not really the coaches fault but I digress)

If the defense stinks it up 2 seasons in a row then I agree he should go but right now we need to let it play out this year.
Why has he earned that? He has other bodies of work to pull from and they say that the anomaly is his first season here, not last season

saintsfan1976 01-26-2015 10:20 AM
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The defense starts camp healthy, with some new faces and a bug chip on their shoulders.

I like Ryan's chances in 2015.

lumm0x 01-26-2015 10:42 AM
Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?
 
I think bringing in Allen has sent a message to Ryan that he needs to pull some rabbits out of his hat this year or it's Allen's defense next year.

I can see us allowing Ryan to make a couple other positional coaching changes and add a few pieces he hand picks within our budget and in the draft and if he can't piece together noticeable improvement he will be looking for work again. If he fails he may be pigeon holed as a guy who can't make it past year 3 anywhere and it will signal then end of him as a DC. He'll be back coaching D-line or LBers for his brother.


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