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Mr.Riaton 03-04-2015 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 642367)
If it is true I am guessing there has been a conversation with Ryan & Allen. Don't worry there is a plan.

Maybe Ireland has something to do with this also.

saintsfan1976 03-04-2015 08:01 PM

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Lofton is a 2 down LB in 3 down clothing.

I defended his tackle total but that may have been more due to sheer number of snaps.

He missed A LOT of tackles last year....

SmashMouth 03-04-2015 08:27 PM

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Danno 03-04-2015 08:51 PM

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We have the crappiest defense in the league. There isn't a player on this defense that should feel safe.

RaginCajun83 03-04-2015 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642390)
We have the crappiest defense in the league. There isn't a player on this defense that should feel safe.

TESTIFY

blackangold 03-04-2015 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 642348)
That's absurd. Did you see the Picayune today? Benson is worth $1.9 BILLION per Forbes magazine. That's billion, with a "B." The money Benson spends on litigation is completely unrelated to the Saints payroll. Besides, the Saints payroll is capped by the league anyway....he can only spend so much, no matter what. That's called a "salary cap" -- ever heard the term? Are you aware the lawsuit is only about 60% of the Saints, which are in the trust. You don't know much about finance, if you think it is affecting Loomis and the actual team in any way. The 2015 money is set and capped and already accounted for, no matter what happens in court.

My o my... where to begin.

First, you do realize the 1.9 billion Benson is worth is derived from his total assets right? Are you dumb enough to think he has 1.9 billion liquidated to spend at his will?

Secondly, litigation cost an enormous amount of money, but you don't seem to understand they could have frozen portions of his assets that are in dispute.

Third and most importantly, the salary cap has nothing to do with what a team spends in a single year on payroll. Do you know what restructuring contracts entails? Apparently not, but let me break it down for you. In many restructures a player's compensation will be converted to a signing bonus. When this occurs the player is paid a lump sum up front while the CAP HIT is spread out over the life of the contract. This means by performing multiple restructures for multiple players you can far exceed the salary cap spending limit on a year by year basis. However, this can cost the owner of the team millions of dollars that might not be viable for a number of reasons. Perhaps you are one of these falcon fans that gets amazed by Loomis signing players and keeping players on the payroll year after year.

The litigation COULD (notice I said could, as in possibly) be a reason why no restructuring is taking place.

Edit:
Benson's assets relating to the team are frozen...
Saints Owner Tom Benson's Assets Froze by Texas Judge

lee909 03-04-2015 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642390)
We have the crappiest defense in the league. There isn't a player on this defense that should feel safe.

Except Keenan Lewis

MarchingOn 03-04-2015 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 642349)
I like the move, it isn't that he isn't good, but he can't cover against the pass, so...

I like the move, too. It isn't just that Lofton can't cover. We are gashed by the run right where he's supposed to be...in the middle. Some MLB. Hope he goes.

halloween 65 03-05-2015 05:31 AM

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My guess would be with Hawthorn not being released and Lofton getting shopped we may be finally converting to a 3-4 D.

Boutte 03-05-2015 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642390)
We have the crappiest defense in the league. There isn't a player on this defense that should feel safe.

Yeah so lets get rid of one the best D players we have. Makes perfect sense.

Also a lot was said about the lack of veteran leadership last year and now dumping PT and Lofton, two of the leaders we have left. Might as well dump Colston and Evans as long as we're gutting any semblance of Veteran presence.

saintsfan1976 03-05-2015 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 642436)
Yeah so lets get rid of one the best D players we have. Makes perfect sense.

Also a lot was said about the lack of veteran leadership last year and now dumping PT and Lofton, two of the leaders we have left. Might as well dump Colston and Evans as long as we're gutting any semblance of Veteran presence.

How do you know Lofton was the best?

How do you know Lofton and Pierre weren't part of the problem?

I do recall hearing PT in particular was upset about Sproles being traded.

Colston did not live up to his contract, neither did Evans.

Danno 03-05-2015 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 642438)
How do you know Lofton was the best?

How do you know Lofton and Pierre weren't part of the problem?

I do recall hearing PT in particular was upset about Sproles being traded.

Colston did not live up to his contract, neither did Evans.

And Lofton was a good player, but not great. I'll agree with Boutte in the sense that Lofton was one of our better defenders, but he's not even close to being worth his cap figure this year.

If we can get something good in return for Lofton, then I don't think its a bad move.

A 7th rounder? No F'ing way... but if its a mid rounder we should really listen.

And as holloween said, maybe we're trying to acquire solid 3-4 players instead of tweeners.

papz 03-05-2015 07:55 AM

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PFF docked Lofton for 22 missed tackles in 2014 while giving him poor marks against the run and in coverage.

via Profootball Focus

vtiger72 03-05-2015 08:48 AM

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I hate to say it, but if Lofton is dealt, he will not fetch more than a 5th-6th round pick. If this report is true, it means the Saints have decided to part ways due to cap reasons and are trying to get a little something before cutting him.

saintsfan1976 03-05-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 642372)
Lofton is a 2 down LB in 3 down clothing.

I defended his tackle total but that may have been more due to sheer number of snaps.

He missed A LOT of tackles last year....

Like I said....


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Originally Posted by papz (Post 642443)
PFF docked Lofton for 22 missed tackles in 2014 while giving him poor marks against the run and in coverage.

via Profootball Focus

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 642442)
And Lofton was a good player, but not great. I'll agree with Boutte in the sense that Lofton was one of our better defenders, but he's not even close to being worth his cap figure this year.

If we can get something good in return for Lofton, then I don't think its a bad move.

A 7th rounder? No F'ing way... but if its a mid rounder we should really listen.

And as holloween said, maybe we're trying to acquire solid 3-4 players instead of tweeners.


jeanpierre 03-05-2015 10:42 AM

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Has anyone seen how bulked Vaccaro has looked lately?!?

blackangold 03-05-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 642478)
Has anyone seen how bulked Vaccaro has looked lately?!?

Interesting. .. tell me more.

RaginCajun83 03-05-2015 10:50 AM

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That's what has me p**sed the most about PT, leadership was a huge question mark last year so we salary dump a veteran. Brilliant

RaginCajun83 03-05-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 642478)
Has anyone seen how bulked Vaccaro has looked lately?!?

He needs to be dropping weight and muscle, not adding. He was so slow and out of position last year that I wanted to throw the remote at my tv almost every game he was out there

VegasSaint9 03-05-2015 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 642478)
Has anyone seen how bulked Vaccaro has looked lately?!?

*gets "randomly" drug tested*

Rugby Saint II 03-05-2015 01:09 PM

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If Lofton goes we lose another veteran. If he stays we still have a two down backer(playing three downs) who is a liability in coverage with a high payroll.

blackangold 03-05-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 642481)
He needs to be dropping weight and muscle, not adding. He was so slow and out of position last year that I wanted to throw the remote at my tv almost every game he was out there

I would be more interested to see him bulk up to a clean 235 and play LB...

Vaccaro is not a safety. You need instincts to play safety not speed, unfortunately Vaccaro lacks both.

K Major 03-05-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 642494)
I would be more interested to see him bulk up to a clean 235 and play LB...

Vaccaro is not a safety. You need instincts to play safety not speed, unfortunately Vaccaro lacks both.

KV at LB?? Funny .... after all of the tackles he either missed or whiffed at last year, no thanks. The last thing we need is another slow LB who can't tackle consistently.

Let's see what Kenny V does in year 3. He now has a healthy ball hawk in Byrd lined up next to him for 2015 :saintsfan:.

blackangold 03-05-2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 642496)
KV at LB?? Funny .... after all of the tackles he either missed or whiffed at last year, no thanks. The last thing we need is another slow LB who can't tackle consistently.

Let's see what Kenny V does in year 3. He now has a healthy ball hawk in Byrd lined up next to him for 2015 :saintsfan:.

KV never played Safety in it's pure form.

Maybe you missed it but everyone missed a **** ton of tackles last year. Generally I would say he is one of the better tacklers on the team, in his rookie year he was great in this aspect. Secondly, you've got to be joking about the "slow" LB... he ran a 4.5 40 which would make him one of the faster ILB in the league...

Kenny either gets moved to a different spot or he ends up a bust of a draft pick. He can't play safety.

Boutte 03-07-2015 07:21 AM

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Who's going replace Lofton?

hagan714 03-07-2015 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 642798)
Who's going replace Lofton?

actually i would love to see Kasim Edebalitry try ILB in camp.

other than that i really do not see anyone as a starter or even peeks my curiosity to see if they can be a starter. maybe we are not having ILB and replacing them with more safeties. 3 DL 2 OLB 2 CB and 4 S

lee909 03-07-2015 07:43 AM

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After having a pair of turnstiles as LBs last year i think making a change to sand filled traffic cones might be a bit better. I Guarantee they will be better in coverage


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