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triman 03-07-2015 08:43 PM

Cooper@ #13
 
I'm a big fan of first-pick draft sim. Cooper keeps showing up at 13 .not a need ,but BPA?

K Major 03-07-2015 09:04 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
No.

Solidify the O line and/or D. Assuming all of the D line beasts are off the board, I'm hoping La'el Collins name hasn't been called.

ChrisXVI 03-07-2015 09:14 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
I'm all for taking the best player available in the first round... But BPA is subjective and I just don't see us valuing a WR more than defense or O-Line. If that scenario really happened we'd have a great opportunity to trade down.

lsutigerfan 03-07-2015 10:16 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
With Sean Payton you just never know. I'm hoping for one of those stud pass rushers or Danny Shelton if they're all off the board then I like to see Sherff or Collins.

lee909 03-07-2015 10:21 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
First-Pick has been throwing up strange results lately and that befire i trade back 4 times fauning 4 additional 2nd and 3rd eound pick (man i should be a GM with those skills) and still picking in the top 30.

Yesterday without trading i ended up with
1) Kevin White
2)Shaq Thompson
3) McKinney
4) Anthony
5) Galick

billyt81 03-08-2015 12:38 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Will Cooper still be there? He is awfully good and would undoubtedly be the best Saints WR ever. I think our WR core is solid and other positions are woefully inadequate. Personally, I would be shocked if we took La'el Collins in the first round though I love the idea. Payton does not draft LSU players.

lee909 03-08-2015 12:57 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Best WR ever,big statement seeing as he has not pulled on a helmet at pro level yet. He would also need to amass 1000 yards a year and 7 TDs to break Colston record

Crusader 03-08-2015 05:23 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 642981)
Best WR ever,big statement seeing as he has not pulled on a helmet at pro level yet. He would also need to amass 1000 yards a year and 7 TDs to break Colston record

Not an easy feat to perform. HE would also have to do it for a long time. He is a great player and I'd love to see him in black and gold. I really do hope that BPA at #13 is defence or O-line. Or rather a trade down for some more picks, its a pretty deep draft.

dizzle88 03-08-2015 05:51 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 642997)
Not an easy feat to perform. HE would also have to do it for a long time. He is a great player and I'd love to see him in black and gold. I really do hope that BPA at #13 is defence or O-line. Or rather a trade down for some more picks, its a pretty deep draft.

Trading down is like swearing at Sean Payton, I don't think he even knows how to trade down lol.

hagan714 03-08-2015 07:36 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Cooper keeps showing up at 13? gotta take him. needs or no needs. polished. Ready to be unwrapped and put on the field day 1. lowwwwww risk. saints get a true #1 WR for Drew?

i see areas of need but as BPA i do not see a safer pick. a few OL are close and defense is not as close.

take the pick

Danno 03-08-2015 10:25 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
If Cooper is there at 13 he will most likely be the BPA. We'd have our WR corps set for years with Cooper, Cooks and Stills.

We'll address needs in free-agency setting us up for BPA in the draft.

SmashMouth 03-08-2015 10:27 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Drew can't get the ball to him on his back...

Danno 03-08-2015 10:29 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 643070)
Drew can't get the ball to him on his back...

Why would he throw on his back? Does drafting Cooper mean we won't address OL?

You can find excellent interior OL in the middle rounds.

lee909 03-08-2015 10:44 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
If Coopers there at 13 o think we take him unless a great offer comes on from a team needing a WR.

R1 Cooper
R2 OG Tomlinson/Jackson/Marpet
R3 C Grasu

Mr.Riaton 03-08-2015 11:52 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
What if Cooper and Beasley are both there at 13?

lee909 03-08-2015 11:53 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Cant see Beasley being there
But if so Beasley all day

saintsfan1976 03-08-2015 12:05 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 643084)
Cant see Beasley being there
But if so Beasley all day

again, it's all predicated on FA.

SmashMouth 03-08-2015 03:09 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 643071)
Why would he throw on his back? Does drafting Cooper mean we won't address OL?

You can find excellent interior OL in the middle rounds.

We've tried not so successfully in recent past years ... time to pay the piper and get a Willie Roaf type. No time left to develop a guy with the clock ticking with Brees. If we go Cooper, then be prepared for a few more pick sixes.

Danno 03-08-2015 03:11 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 643131)
We've tried not so successfully in recent past years ... time to pay the piper and get a Willie Roaf type. No time left to develop a guy with the clock ticking with Brees. If we go Cooper, then be prepared for a few more pick sixes.

There isn't a Willie Roaf type in this entire draft

triman 03-09-2015 02:27 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
If we get any player on par with Roaf,that is a huge win . I'll take a Hall of fame player at any position.

ikecomp 03-09-2015 03:38 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Too many other positions we can draft that would have a bigger impact. Cooper is no Becham Jr so not worth it in my opinion. Better route runner but not close when it comes to speed and hands.

I would prefer us go for an impact player at 13 like a LB or OL (Preferably OL). If we give brees time the receiving core we have now is more than adequate to the task. Plus, being able to run the ball more will help brees.

papz 03-09-2015 04:24 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
We have Colston coming back with Stills and Cook. Toon looked much better last season as well. I'm not opposed to taking a receiver in the draft, but not with our first pick. The majority of the mocks have him going before 13... and quite frankly, I hope he's not there either.

voodooido 03-10-2015 06:59 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Picking Cooper would be the worst pick in Saints history. Yes, worse than Sullivan or Williams. Too many huge holes to fill to take a luxury pick like that. What good is scoring 40 points a game if the other teams scores 41?

billyt81 03-10-2015 05:22 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
I think the offense can survive without Graham. Stills, Toon and of course Cooks look pretty good last year. We probably should go defense with both of our first round picks. But Cooper is an interesting athlete and was the best in college at his position. He'll be tough to pass up if he's there, especially with Graham gone.

lee909 03-10-2015 05:30 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Remember 09

Colston-Henderson-Meachem-Shockey-Bush-Thomas was good enough to win a superbowl with Brees behind a great o-line.

I wouldnt say thats much better than what we have now

jeanpierre 03-10-2015 07:39 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 642978)
Payton does not draft LSU players.

That's not accurate...

First, Payton did everything to trade up in the 2008 draft to get the Chiefs pick and select Glenn Dorsey, but Chiefs GM Carl Peterson was being a *****; we settled on the seventh pick (49ers pick via New England) and selected Sedrick Ellis...

Second, In the 2010 NFL Draft, LSU DL Al Woods was selected in the fourth round...

And though he didn't select him, Devery Henderson (Drafted in 2004) was considered a disappointment and Payton and staff really turned Devery into a true performer...

The Saints franchise as a whole has never really brought in alot of Saints players, Hokie Gajan, Dalton Hilliard, Eric Martin were probably the most during the mid-late 80's, so to say that's on Payton is just not accurate...

I'd be really disappointed, skeptical taking another receiver in the first round...

I'm thinking LB and/or CB with the first three picks (two first rounders, one second rounder)...

Mr.Riaton 03-10-2015 08:34 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
I would not be surprised if they packaged the 31st overall with something else to move up into the top 5 and possibly grab Mariota.

Danno 03-10-2015 08:42 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 644071)
I would not be surprised if they packaged the 31st overall with something else to move up into the top 5 and possibly grab Mariota.

Now that would be the worst pick in Saints history

billyt81 03-10-2015 09:00 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 644035)
That's not accurate...

First, Payton did everything to trade up in the 2008 draft to get the Chiefs pick and select Glenn Dorsey, but Chiefs GM Carl Peterson was being a *****; we settled on the seventh pick (49ers pick via New England) and selected Sedrick Ellis...

Second, In the 2010 NFL Draft, LSU DL Al Woods was selected in the fourth round...

And though he didn't select him, Devery Henderson (Drafted in 2004) was considered a disappointment and Payton and staff really turned Devery into a true performer...

The Saints franchise as a whole has never really brought in alot of Saints players, Hokie Gajan, Dalton Hilliard, Eric Martin were probably the most during the mid-late 80's, so to say that's on Payton is just not accurate...

I'd be really disappointed, skeptical taking another receiver in the first round...

I'm thinking LB and/or CB with the first three picks (two first rounders, one second rounder)...

So, in Payton's tenure, the Saints have drafted exactly one LSU player. And how can Devery Henderson be considered a disappointment? I think he had a great career in New Orleans. In that same span the Pats have taken bunches of LSU players and look what they've done. Which is it? Was Devery a true performer or a disappointment? how can it be both? LOL.

Sarik 03-10-2015 09:13 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
If we were to select a WR in the 1st, i have little interest in that pick being Amari Cooper. We already have 2 Stellar route running WR's. Id make Devante Parker the pick... Adds a different element we dont have. How can you not see AJ Green when you watch the tape? But with that said....DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE!

Mr.Riaton 03-10-2015 09:18 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 644075)
Now that would be the worst pick in Saints history

I wouldn't say it would be the worst, but I definitely would not be happy with that pick.

WhoDatFan26 03-11-2015 12:15 AM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by triman (Post 642924)
I'm a big fan of first-pick draft sim. Cooper keeps showing up at 13 .not a need ,but BPA?

Nice pipe dream but it wont happen. I can see the team drafting Trae Waynes from Michigan St. CB, The Perryman kid From The U LB and the LB from Miss. St. They can draft a TE in the 3rd Round.

Rugby Saint II 03-12-2015 03:39 PM

Re: Cooper@ #13
 
Defense Dammit!!! Or O-line to protect Drew. We need to be focused on our weaknesses in this draft.


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