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saintsfan1976 03-08-2015 09:08 AM
Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
You can't predict injuries. You can however see a pattern of poor signings.


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Philip Wheeler first Dolphins domino to fall at linebacker

The Miami Dolphins made their first significant cut at linebacker Saturday by releasing starter Philip Wheeler. ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reported Wheeler will be designated a June 1 roster cut, which allows Miami to save about $3 million off its salary cap.


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However, Wheeler is just the first domino to fall at the Dolphins' linebacker position this offseason. The next likely cut at the position is fellow former starting linebacker Dannell Ellerbe, who is on Miami's books for $8.45 million next season. Ellerbe played in just one game last year before suffering a season-ending hip injury. Former backup linebacker Jelani Jenkins took Ellerbe's place and led the team with 110 tackles, which further makes Ellerbe expendable.

In releasing Wheeler, and most likely Ellerbe, Miami will admit two big mistakes from its expensive 2013 free-agent class. The Dolphins went on a spending spree totaling nearly $200 million in contracts. Wheeler ($26 million) and Ellerbe ($35 million) were expected to make major impacts on defense. Receiver Mike Wallace ($60 million), whose roster spot also is in jeopardy, was expected to bring big plays to the offense. None of that panned out how former general manager Jeff Ireland envisioned two years ago.

Now, second-year general manager Dennis Hickey and new vice president Mike Tannenbaum are cutting their losses with Wheeler, who registered just 45 tackles and was a liability against the run and pass last season. The decision was a no-brainer. The same can be said for Ellerbe, who was more productive when healthy but certainly not to the value of $8.45 million. His release won't be far behind.

spkb25 03-08-2015 09:11 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 643041)
You can't predict injuries. You can however see a pattern of poor signings.


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Philip Wheeler first Dolphins domino to fall at linebacker

The Miami Dolphins made their first significant cut at linebacker Saturday by releasing starter Philip Wheeler. ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reported Wheeler will be designated a June 1 roster cut, which allows Miami to save about $3 million off its salary cap.


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Wheeler

However, Wheeler is just the first domino to fall at the Dolphins' linebacker position this offseason. The next likely cut at the position is fellow former starting linebacker Dannell Ellerbe, who is on Miami's books for $8.45 million next season. Ellerbe played in just one game last year before suffering a season-ending hip injury. Former backup linebacker Jelani Jenkins took Ellerbe's place and led the team with 110 tackles, which further makes Ellerbe expendable.

In releasing Wheeler, and most likely Ellerbe, Miami will admit two big mistakes from its expensive 2013 free-agent class. The Dolphins went on a spending spree totaling nearly $200 million in contracts. Wheeler ($26 million) and Ellerbe ($35 million) were expected to make major impacts on defense. Receiver Mike Wallace ($60 million), whose roster spot also is in jeopardy, was expected to bring big plays to the offense. None of that panned out how former general manager Jeff Ireland envisioned two years ago.

Now, second-year general manager Dennis Hickey and new vice president Mike Tannenbaum are cutting their losses with Wheeler, who registered just 45 tackles and was a liability against the run and pass last season. The decision was a no-brainer. The same can be said for Ellerbe, who was more productive when healthy but certainly not to the value of $8.45 million. His release won't be far behind.
Jesus H Crist, Yikers. Has he mad any good moves.

dizzle88 03-08-2015 09:12 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
The difference is he wasn't in charge of scouting for Miami, he was their GM and we already have ours so he has no say in contracts.

In Dallas he was in charge of scouting and drafted players like Romo and Marion Barber who were or still are effective players.

We won't have to worry about Ireland making money issues because Loomis is dealing with that.

NonieT 03-08-2015 09:21 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 643046)
The difference is he wasn't in charge of scouting for Miami, he was their GM and we already have ours so he has no say in contracts.

In Dallas he was in charge of scouting and drafted players like Romo and Marion Barber who were or still are effective players.

We won't have to worry about Ireland making money issues because Loomis is dealing with that.
Romo was a UDFA!

spkb25 03-08-2015 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 643047)
Romo was a UDFA!
That's semantics

spkb25 03-08-2015 09:27 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 643046)
The difference is he wasn't in charge of scouting for Miami, he was their GM and we already have ours so he has no say in contracts.

In Dallas he was in charge of scouting and drafted players like Romo and Marion Barber who were or still are effective players.

We won't have to worry about Ireland making money issues because Loomis is dealing with that.
Thank goodness

dizzle88 03-08-2015 09:33 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 643047)
Romo was a UDFA!
Doesn't matter, as the head of scouting with Dallas he still makes the move to bring the guy in.

K Major 03-08-2015 09:42 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 643046)
In Dallas he was in charge of scouting and drafted players like Romo and
I'm sure Jeff is a credible scout but what still sticks out for me is when he asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute :rolleyes:.

He was a member of the Dolphins scouting dept at the time.
Miami subsequent 1st pick in 2010 was Jared Odrick and Dallas took Dez.

Oh boy.

ChrisXVI 03-08-2015 10:06 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 643056)
I'm sure Jeff is a credible scout but what still sticks out for me is when he asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute :rolleyes:.

He was a member of the Dolphins scouting dept at the time.
Miami subsequent 1st pick in 2010 was Jared Odrick and Dallas took Dez.

Oh boy.
People always neglect the full story when it comes to that Dez Bryant thing. Ireland asked Dez what his father did for a living and Dez said he was a pimp. Then when asked what his mother did he said she worked for his dad. Ireland wanted to clarify that so he asked if that meant Dez's mom was a prostitute. It really wasn't that big of a deal.

K Major 03-08-2015 10:29 AM
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I understand it is Ireland's job to dig and find out everything possible about a potential pick (doing his due diligence) when you about to change their lives financially, but it was done in poor judgement. Ireland even admitted to it.

That's all :cool:.

Danno 03-08-2015 10:31 AM
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Yeah, we're all confusing Ireland the GM with Ireland the Scout.

He became a GM because he excelled as a scout.

K Major 03-08-2015 10:33 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 643073)
Yeah, we're all confusing Ireland the GM with Ireland the Scout.

He became a GM because he excelled as a scout.
Let's just hope he excels in New Orleans. Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

saintsfan1976 03-08-2015 12:06 PM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 643046)
The difference is he wasn't in charge of scouting for Miami, he was their GM and we already have ours so he has no say in contracts.

In Dallas he was in charge of scouting and drafted players like Romo and Marion Barber who were or still are effective players.

We won't have to worry about Ireland making money issues because Loomis is dealing with that.
I clearly remember reading Ireland's recent quotes about "being vocal" regarding his thoughts on scouting talent with Sean and Mickey.

I'm holding off on judgement.

Rugby Saint II 03-08-2015 04:25 PM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 643064)
People always neglect the full story when it comes to that Dez Bryant thing. Ireland asked Dez what his father did for a living and Dez said he was a pimp. Then when asked what his mother did he said she worked for his dad. Ireland wanted to clarify that so he asked if that meant Dez's mom was a prostitute. It really wasn't that big of a deal.
I did not know that. Thanks for enlightening us.:p

SloMotion 03-08-2015 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 643163)
I did not know that. Thanks for enlightening us.:p
It was kind of a funny story, :lol:.

Rugby Saint II 03-08-2015 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 643200)
It was kind of a funny story, :lol:.
Well, it is now.............:dunce:

hagan714 03-08-2015 06:11 PM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
it is a group effort when they add players. some times you win and get your guy other times you do not.

the blame should be shared more than these reporters like to do. very few players are one mans guy.

RaginCajun83 03-08-2015 07:21 PM
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He won't be the GM here, his job is to find defensive talent to draft

jeanpierre 03-09-2015 01:13 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
Wheeler has been a great linebacker for them as was Ellerbe...

The current regime in Miami is about to pay SUH quarterback money (16+ mil per year)...

Actually, those were pretty good signings and Miami has made noise the past two seasons while they developed a very young quarterback...

Yeah, Ireland is brash and bold and many people didn't like it when he asked Dez Bryant about his mother's vocation...

Now whether you like that or not, it indicated there were some problems there early on about Bryant and he was right...

He's gonna dig and I think we'll be better with him there, maybe if we'd had him this past year's draft wouldn't have been an unmitigated disaster...

He was more the victim of injuries and questionalble coaching...

The only signing I'd say didn't work in Miami was Mike Wallace and that kid just wanted to continue to run streaks down the field as he had done in Pittsburgh and didn't develop...

That's as much of coaching and player initiative as anything...

jeanpierre 03-09-2015 01:28 AM
Re: Jeff Ireland's latest results in Miami
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 643073)
Yeah, we're all confusing Ireland the GM with Ireland the Scout.

He became a GM because he's excelled as a scout.
He'd be a great GM as he's never had a Coach Payton who can now be focused on coaching on Sundays..

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 643090)
I clearly remember reading Ireland's recent quotes about "being vocal" regarding his thoughts on scouting talent with Sean and Mickey.

I'm holding off on judgement.
My friend, so let the wisdom of your light shine forth...

Well, it's not like Loomis/Payton has been stellar annually in the draft...

Point of fact, I've argued ad nauseum that the Saints are horrible when it comes to draft management...

Maybe he's the straw we need in the draft room...

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 643218)
it is a group effort when they add players. some times you win and get your guy other times you do not.

the blame should be shared more than these reporters like to do. very few players are one mans guy.
It's always a team effort, people knowing their roles as Parcells wasn't a success until he let off a little in the draft room...

...sometimes getting all your guys and not having a "straw to stir the coctail" is not a good thing, we've lacked serious balance...

...last year's draft of unnecessarily giving up a third round pick when we could've stood pat and selected either State's Kelvin Benjamin who flourished even with Cam Newton chucking to him or Vandy's Jordan Matthews with the Eagle's messy QB situation still as productive...

And we'd still had a third round pick for a LINEBACKER!!!

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 643235)
He won't be the GM here, his job is to find defensive talent to draft
His job is find talent, period. Defensive Talent, Offensive Talent, Kicking Teams Talent...

jeanpierre 03-09-2015 05:36 PM
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Anyways, am more concerned with what Jeff Ireland helps us to accomplish here...


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