Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks

spkb25 · 03-11-2015, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard

I disagree, priority was center, but yes we can use guard help too. Let's see what the rest of FA and draft bring

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick

How could they trade him last year?
He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money.

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

How could they trade him last year?
He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money.

When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

burningmetal · 03-11-2015, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

Correct. And they got nothing for him then. Now that he's under contract, it made more sense for a team to trade for him and give up something for a guy they had some control over. If you trade for a guy with a franchise tag, you give up two 1st rounders and there is no guarantee he re-signs with you.

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

You franchise him and then he can only be traded once he signs the tender.
Who would give up good picks for a player that unless its a place he wants to go can be leave as a free agent the following year. Also as soon as he signs the tag that money becomes fully guaranteed.

hagan714 · 03-11-2015, 03:38 AM

i really do not think people truly understand how good Unger really is. then that contract of his is really sweet. look for an extension in 2016

OL never get any respect

cap wise it cost us 2 mill because we had to eat jimmy's dead cap money. now 2016 the impact will be felt cap wise. 2016 cap issues just got better.

i do not think they are done yet either. draft day trade involving players is very possible.

washington trade up? jump ahead of the jets could cost us another pick or a player/ washington has a new coaching staff in place and one thing they like is a big OL.

next cap move OG plus picks to washington in a trade up?

spkb25 · 03-11-2015, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i really do not think people truly understand how good Unger really is. then that contract of his is really sweet. look for an extension in 2016

OL never get any respect

cap wise it cost us 2 mill because we had to eat jimmy's dead cap money. now 2016 the impact will be felt cap wise. 2016 cap issues just got better.

i do not think they are done yet either. draft day trade involving players is very possible.

washington trade up? jump ahead of the jets could cost us another pick or a player/ washington has a new coaching staff in place and one thing they like is a big OL.

next cap move OG plus picks to washington in a trade up?

OLINE is so important, so important. Great post, and Unger, from all I have read, is very good. Still young too. Good Post Hag

lee909 · 03-11-2015, 03:50 AM

These rookie 1st round contracts are so sweet for teams now few want to part with them. A 1st rounder cost around $7ml for 4 years with the option of a 5th year tacked on by the teams. So $15ml roughly for 5 years.

Now its down to the scouts and brains in the office to go get the right player. If say we signed a Muhammad Wilkerson type of DT for that money and had him for 5 years and had Unger for them same years with a extension id say the team is stronger overall. That would cost a similar cap to what Graham costs on his own

nola_swammi · 03-11-2015, 04:04 AM

I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts

|Mitch| · 03-11-2015, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts

Did we win a Super-Bowl with Graham and a bad center or without Graham and a good center? I forget...

03-11-2015, 07:12 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi I look at it as we gave a 4th rd pick for him when the priority should've been guard I disagree, priority was center, but yes we can use guard help too. Let's see what the rest of FA and draft bring

03-11-2015, 03:44 AM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi That is all find for 2017 but the sale on the team producing need to be for this year. They want cap relief they must make better trades and draft better than they have been doing. Trading JG for a 31 pick in draft is dumb. They should've traded him last year after he had that stellar year or traded him this year for a 1st and conditional 5th to 7th rd pick How could they trade him last year? He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money.

03-11-2015, 03:51 AM	#3
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by lee909 How could they trade him last year? He wasn't under contract and had they traded him they would have had to pay him all his money. Had Graham got wind of a trade last year he would have refused to sign the tag. Teams were not willing to pay 2 1st round picks for him. Even Seahawks didnt offer last years 32nd pick and they new they were picking in the late 20s his year didnt offer the money. When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything

03-11-2015, 03:55 AM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything Correct. And they got nothing for him then. Now that he's under contract, it made more sense for a team to trade for him and give up something for a guy they had some control over. If you trade for a guy with a franchise tag, you give up two 1st rounders and there is no guarantee he re-signs with you.

03-11-2015, 04:03 AM	#5
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi When you franchise a player you can use it as leverage in negotiating a trade. You don't necessarily need him to sign anything You franchise him and then he can only be traded once he signs the tender. Who would give up good picks for a player that unless its a place he wants to go can be leave as a free agent the following year. Also as soon as he signs the tag that money becomes fully guaranteed.

03-11-2015, 03:38 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks i really do not think people truly understand how good Unger really is. then that contract of his is really sweet. look for an extension in 2016 OL never get any respect cap wise it cost us 2 mill because we had to eat jimmy's dead cap money. now 2016 the impact will be felt cap wise. 2016 cap issues just got better. i do not think they are done yet either. draft day trade involving players is very possible. washington trade up? jump ahead of the jets could cost us another pick or a player/ washington has a new coaching staff in place and one thing they like is a big OL. next cap move OG plus picks to washington in a trade up?
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03-11-2015, 07:10 AM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by hagan714 i really do not think people truly understand how good Unger really is. then that contract of his is really sweet. look for an extension in 2016 OL never get any respect cap wise it cost us 2 mill because we had to eat jimmy's dead cap money. now 2016 the impact will be felt cap wise. 2016 cap issues just got better. i do not think they are done yet either. draft day trade involving players is very possible. washington trade up? jump ahead of the jets could cost us another pick or a player/ washington has a new coaching staff in place and one thing they like is a big OL. next cap move OG plus picks to washington in a trade up? OLINE is so important, so important. Great post, and Unger, from all I have read, is very good. Still young too. Good Post Hag

03-11-2015, 03:50 AM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks These rookie 1st round contracts are so sweet for teams now few want to part with them. A 1st rounder cost around $7ml for 4 years with the option of a 5th year tacked on by the teams. So $15ml roughly for 5 years. Now its down to the scouts and brains in the office to go get the right player. If say we signed a Muhammad Wilkerson type of DT for that money and had him for 5 years and had Unger for them same years with a extension id say the team is stronger overall. That would cost a similar cap to what Graham costs on his own
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03-11-2015, 04:04 AM	#9
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts

03-11-2015, 04:07 AM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints Trade Graham to the Seahawks Originally Posted by nola_swammi I'll point how this was a bad move or bad trade when the data reveal itself but for now I wish you all the best it was nice having a ear to vent to and hopefully I am wrong but I doubt it. I just hate to see the best coach the saints ever had be fired cause of idiotic trades and drafts Did we win a Super-Bowl with Graham and a bad center or without Graham and a good center? I forget...

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