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FromMNtoLASt 03-14-2015 09:10 AM

Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ...
 
I keep reading on numerous fan boards about how some fans want the Saints to draft a wr at 13 or move up for one. I strongly disagree with the idea. This draft may not have guys like Amari Cooper or Kevin White in later rounds but, I do feel the class has value in later rounds for players to come in & contribute right away. Tyler Lockette, Tre McBride are a couple of examples of this.
Wanna replace Graham ? I'd love to see the Saints draft Minnesota te Maxx Williams at 31 if he's there or @ 44 (which he probably would be gone already).
Please - enough about getting a wr in the first round !!! Even Sean Payton said this is a deep draft for wrs !!!

hagan714 03-14-2015 09:11 AM

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Amari Cooper falls into lap at 13 sure

FromMNtoLASt 03-14-2015 09:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 645839)
cooper falls into lap at 13 sure

Sarcasm well played ... lol

lee909 03-14-2015 09:23 AM

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Dont agree completely with that
And i really dont want Lockette. He is 5'9 and we allready have Cooks and Saunders for small speedy guys. After 4/5 WR most are around 5'10/11,the rest lack either size or speed.
Look at the DB in the South. The Falcons smallest CB is 5'10,Panthers dont have a CB under 6' and the Bucs smallest is Verner at 5'10. We really could do with a number 1 type.
Its not our main priority but if one falls into our lap i wouldn't complain

Lord_Saint83 03-14-2015 09:35 AM

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If its not kevin white id say wait till the next round.

spkb25 03-14-2015 09:50 AM

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my problem is that very few wideouts, first round selection or not, come in and dominate year 1. there are exceptions, but very few

I would really like to see us add a top guard, either Collins or scherff and a really athletic lb

FromMNtoLASt 03-14-2015 09:56 AM

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I'm in with spkb25 - I'd like to see the Saints get a top guard at 13 or an athletic OLB. At 31 ? BPA ...

Foot Stomper 03-14-2015 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 645847)
my problem is that very few wideouts, first round selection or not, come in and dominate year 1. there are exceptions, but very few

I would really like to see us add a top guard, either Collins or scherff and a really athletic lb

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. We want to win now so what position offers immediate impact from rooks? Not many that I recall.

lee909 03-14-2015 10:30 AM

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Last years rookie class

Sammy Watkins
REC 65
YDS 982
AVG 15.1
TDS 6


Odel Beckham
REC 91
YDS 1,305
AVG 14.3
TDS 12 NYG


Mike Evans
REC
68
YDS 1,051
TD 12



Kelvin Benjamin
REC 73
YDS 1,008
AVG 13.8
TDS 9


Jordan Matthews
REC 67
YDS 872
AVG 13.0
TDS 8


Jarvis Landry
REC 84
YDS 758
AVG 9.0
TDS 5


John Brown
REC 48
YDS 696
AVG 14.5
TDS 5


Brandin Cooks
REC 53
YDS 550
AVG 10.4
TDS 3


Martavis Bryant
REC 26
YDS 549
AVG 21.1
TDS 8


Allen Robinson
REC 48
YDS 548
AVG 11.4
TDS 2


Donte Moncrief
REC 32
YDS 444
AVG 13.9
TDS 3


Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on.

Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards.

Seer1 03-14-2015 10:35 AM

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I'm okay with a WR, just please, oh please, no more freakin' "projects"!

spkb25 03-14-2015 10:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 645856)
Last years rookie class

Sammy Watkins
REC 65
YDS 982
AVG 15.1
TDS 6


Odel Beckham
REC 91
YDS 1,305
AVG 14.3
TDS 12 NYG


Mike Evans
REC
68
YDS 1,051
TD 12



Kelvin Benjamin
REC 73
YDS 1,008
AVG 13.8
TDS 9


Jordan Matthews
REC 67
YDS 872
AVG 13.0
TDS 8


Jarvis Landry
REC 84
YDS 758
AVG 9.0
TDS 5


John Brown
REC 48
YDS 696
AVG 14.5
TDS 5


Brandin Cooks
REC 53
YDS 550
AVG 10.4
TDS 3


Martavis Bryant
REC 26
YDS 549
AVG 21.1
TDS 8


Allen Robinson
REC 48
YDS 548
AVG 11.4
TDS 2


Donte Moncrief
REC 32
YDS 444
AVG 13.9
TDS 3


Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on.

Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards.

pretty good post!

lee909 03-14-2015 10:59 AM

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Great class of WRs
Maybe the greatest receiving class ever

Danno 03-14-2015 11:31 AM

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I'd be happy with Cooper or White at 13. Both have superstar potential.

You don't draft for need, you draft BPA.

But even so, with the absence of Graham and Stills, WR has become a pretty significant need.

voodooido 03-14-2015 11:39 AM

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I would really like to see Jaelen Strong late in the 1st or early 2nd. The kid is a stud. 2287 yards and 17 tds in 2 years on a subpar ASU.

Rugby Saint II 03-14-2015 12:21 PM

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Our WR's have never been strong. After losing Stills and Graham I am down with drafting a WR in the first round. But I really want a G or defense with both of our first round draft picks.

Foot Stomper 03-14-2015 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 645856)
Last years rookie class

Sammy Watkins
REC 65
YDS 982
AVG 15.1
TDS 6


Odel Beckham
REC 91
YDS 1,305
AVG 14.3
TDS 12 NYG


Mike Evans
REC
68
YDS 1,051
TD 12



Kelvin Benjamin
REC 73
YDS 1,008
AVG 13.8
TDS 9


Jordan Matthews
REC 67
YDS 872
AVG 13.0
TDS 8


Jarvis Landry
REC 84
YDS 758
AVG 9.0
TDS 5


John Brown
REC 48
YDS 696
AVG 14.5
TDS 5


Brandin Cooks
REC 53
YDS 550
AVG 10.4
TDS 3


Martavis Bryant
REC 26
YDS 549
AVG 21.1
TDS 8


Allen Robinson
REC 48
YDS 548
AVG 11.4
TDS 2


Donte Moncrief
REC 32
YDS 444
AVG 13.9
TDS 3


Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on.

Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards.

Good research and post. I should edit my post above to say in the Payton era when has any rookie made a major impact - particular a WR? Colston and Reggie were rookie impacts. JG really not much his first year that I recall. Redzone was kind of strong. I guess the Mecham, Toon and other projects we draft just have me unsure if we can quickly implement rooks into the game.

woody 03-14-2015 02:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FromMNtoLASt (Post 645838)
I keep reading on numerous fan boards about how some fans want the Saints to draft a wr at 13 or move up for one. I strongly disagree with the idea. This draft may not have guys like Amari Cooper or Kevin White in later rounds but, I do feel the class has value in later rounds for players to come in & contribute right away. Tyler Lockette, Tre McBride are a couple of examples of this.
Wanna replace Graham ? I'd love to see the Saints draft Minnesota te Maxx Williams at 31 if he's there or @ 44 (which he probably would be gone already).
Please - enough about getting a wr in the first round !!! Even Sean Payton said this is a deep draft for wrs !!!

Maxx Williams is a bad dude! He'd be an instant fan favorite.

Sarik 03-14-2015 02:49 PM

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Yea im in the number that's completely fine with WR at 13. Heres the thing, im only interested in big, possesion type WRs with some speed as well...in other words, a true # 1. Which we dont have. Colston is clearly coming to an end. As said earlier too, these wr's are coming in & adjusting to the game at a more rapid pace we've seen im years & that could be attributed to the great class that came in last year. The thing with that is, this class could easily be just as good.

With that said, im only interested in the top 6 guys on my Board who fit that #1 mold....

Kevin White - Julio Jones like
Devante Parker - AJ Green like
Dorial Green-Beckham - Calvin Johnson like
Amari Cooper - Smoother Victor Cruz like
Jaelen Strong - faster Alshon Jeffery like
Breshaud Perriman - Dez/Alshon like

Outside of these guys i can see less production in the first year as you were concerned with, maybe with the exception of Nelson Agholor, Devin Smith, Phillip Dorsett, Tyler Lockett. But theyre more in the mold of what we have in cooks(smooth route runner/shifty speedsters who can take the top off.)

Theres my argument why id be just fine with A WR in the first. Only 4 id consider with pick 13 tho & thats:
Devante Parker
Kevin White
Amari Cooper
Dorial Green-Beckham(yes i kno we can wait maybe til 31, but we all know with out the off field issues he's a lock for the top 15. Im just looking for the saints to draft Football players who can make a difference regardless of position.)

Other than that...Defense the rest if the way! With the exception of a Guard, which i love Shaq Mason in the 5th if he falls. Had a great pro day, should check it out if you can find it.

Sarik 03-14-2015 02:54 PM

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Sorry for the couple of "auto-corrected" words. Post was from my phone. Whodat.

lee909 03-14-2015 02:58 PM

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I like Beckham but imo no way will Payton think about him after so many statements of locker room issues. Also 13th is too high for a man that hasn't shown he can handle any route tree. He could be Calvin Johnson but just as easily could be Cordelle Patterson

Sarik 03-14-2015 03:04 PM

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Dont confuse Deep WR draft with the thought of you can find a #1 im the mid-later rounds. Thise are more #2/3 types.
Examples:
Lockett
Dorsett
Agholor
Greene
Hardy
Harper
Alford
Crowder
Goodley
Montgomery(measured alot shorter than he was listed at Stanford)

Lippett(6'3), Coates(6'2) are intriguing guys that are bigger, but have some concerns, along with other bigger bodied Wrs you can get later that have more concerns(Waller, Greenberry, Conley, etc)

So thats my Logic for spending higher on some better talent that can come in & produce like we saw with this last class. Either way we can go a number of routes with pick 13 & i'll be just fine.

Sarik 03-14-2015 03:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 645912)
I like Beckham but imo no way will Payton think about him after so many statements of locker room issues. Also 13th is too high for a man that hasn't shown he can handle any route tree. He could be Calvin Johnson but just as easily could be Cordelle Patterson

Well yea. Im sure DGB isnt even on the Saints board. They tend to toss out the head cases. But i still believe in his abilities & seems to be cathing alot of attenion as of late from numerous clubs saying he's testing out good & some believe the problems are behind him. Oklahoma helped him alot. Buuuut, i still proceed with caution, cuz most seem to make mistakes again once theyre in the league. We'll see how everything plays out.

Kind of apples & oranges with C-patt tho. Never sold on him & he's only a 6'1 guy who always relied heavily on speed. Never gifted in the way DGB is. Alot of teams need that guy who can win consistently on jump balls the way he does, its pretty amazing. But i agree completely. Needs to polish his game...Lol i love what Mike Mayock said about DGB... "He had no idea whats going on at times, but he wins matchups & is special" has him 1st round as well. Gotta be special to still be considered a 1st round talent despite all his issues. Whew, boy does he have them lol.

lee909 03-14-2015 03:12 PM

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I keep reading the 49ers are not letting him past 15

Sarik 03-14-2015 03:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 645923)
I keep reading the 49ers are not letting him past 15

Yea im hearing some of that as well. KC could be another team or Baltimore. Boy do they have issues now.

Needs a strong club to pick him. Thats why i like the Saints for him. Sean dont play that s***. Its wishful thinking tho. Wont happen

lee909 03-14-2015 03:20 PM

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Bengals might take the risk.
They do a good job with 'charater issue' players

jeanpierre 03-14-2015 03:22 PM

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Need a Tight End?!? Blake Bell, Oklahoma in the fifth round...

Sarik 03-14-2015 03:23 PM

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Very true. Man that would be nasty to pair him with AJ Green. But you still have the problem of Dalton being garbage, poor guy. I like him haha. But Jones & Sanu are very serviceable, so its tough seeing them pick WR there.

Sarik 03-14-2015 03:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 645928)
Need a Tight End?!? Blake Bell, Oklahoma in the fifth round...

Ha yep not bad 6'5-6. Needs some work but i like what i see in Josh Hill. Similar in a way.

Speaking of Blake...he raved about DGB as well as a talent & teammate. Very supportive even tho he was unable to play.

Blake is intriguing...id rather spend a 6th if we could.

hagan714 03-14-2015 03:33 PM

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Devante Parker - foot injuries seem to always come to haunt you
Kevin White - route tree? whats that?

so just one
Amari Cooper- inside or out complete wr


Blake Bell - new at TE is ok but he also is that emergency #3 QB and as we all know if we gotta go to #3 it is pretty much over with anyways. 6 maybe there in 7

GeauxForMore 03-14-2015 03:39 PM

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Agree we need to get Collins with the 13th but we have to get a WR with the 31st. Jalen Strong or the kid from OSU will be sitting there and will immediately help the offense.

FromMNtoLASt 03-15-2015 01:24 PM

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Great responses everyone ... Thanks :)
I think the Saints would consider one of the top ol or olb/pass rushers at 13. A wr at 31 would be good. I just don't think wr would be the wisest choice at 13 given the talent that may be available on ol or on defense. There are other options better suited to our needs. Honestly, I think the Saints won't choose a wr at 13 but, nothing would totally surprise me at this point.

alleycat_126 03-15-2015 01:45 PM

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You have to think about the tendencies of the front office.... They needed defense last year.... but jumped up to select Brandin Cooks ( reach if you look at all the WR talent that popped of the board) This year they say they are committed to fixing there defense.... I WILL BELEIVE IT WHEN I SEE IT!!!

VegasSaint9 03-15-2015 01:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FromMNtoLASt (Post 646080)
Great responses everyone ... Thanks :)
I think the Saints would consider one of the top ol or olb/pass rushers at 13. A wr at 31 would be good. I just don't think wr would be the wisest choice at 13 given the talent that may be available on ol or on defense. There are other options better suited to our needs. Honestly, I think the Saints won't choose a wr at 13 but, nothing would totally surprise me at this point.

Yes! This. The defense was the biggest issue in 2014. Offense was bad but I attribute that mostly to bad offensive line/ bad luck/ brees forcing it to Jimmy. We're one more good pass rusher away from having a pretty good front 7. I say go OLB at 13, MLB at 31. OL/WR in the 2nd. 3rd DT/DE. 3rd CB, 5th OL, 5th LB, 6th WR/RB, 7th whatever you get the point. Maybe throw in a QB somewhere in there like Sean Mannion in the 3rd. Who knows really.

FromMNtoLASt 03-15-2015 07:52 PM

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I had the same train of thought Vegas ... although I could see them picking up Collins or Scherff at 13 then bpa at 31 unless one of the pass rushers are there at 13. Just don't feel we HAVE to have one of the top wrs. Saints have done so much more with less under Sean Payton at wr ...

st thomas 03-15-2015 08:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 645866)
I'd be happy with Cooper or White at 13. Both have superstar potential.

You don't draft for need, you draft BPA.

But even so, with the absence of Graham and Stills, WR has become a pretty significant need.

finally somebody makin sense around here. BPA baby lets roll

NOLA54 03-15-2015 08:46 PM

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After all the surprise trades they have made thus far, we can only expect more surprises in the draft.

QBREES9 03-16-2015 09:38 PM

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Amari Cooper


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