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SmashMouth 04-08-2015 04:41 PM

Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
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There are market inefficiencies waiting to be exploited hiding in plain site every year during the draft.

They’re the players draft analysts and fans clamor over and scream about on talk shows every day from February until the draft takes place in late April or early May. Sometimes they’re the most talented players at a particular position, but they’re slow to land due to the red flags attached to their backs.

It’s not an easy road to navigate. Falling in love with a player with a checkered past or character concerns can lead to disaster. In other instances, the teams that run from those flags and are forced to watch those players prosper in other cities.

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Count the number of teams that wish they would have taken a gamble on Dallas wide receiver Dez Bryant, Arizona safety Tyrann Mathieu or, once upon a time, Randy Moss. The amount of regret stretches across the league.

Get it right and your franchise prospers. Get in wrong and there isn’t enough regret to cover all the headaches, setbacks and bad headlines that will follow. And sometimes those wrong guesses create even larger issues no one wants to deal with.

This is the terrain the New Orleans Saints will soon have to navigate. Considering the offseason has, at least in part, been about getting read of players who caused issues or distractions in the locker room, it might be foolish to even entertain this discussion. Any flags might mean instant dismissal from the draft board -- that’s generally been the modus operandi since Sean Payton landed here in 2006.

But considering the Saints are in need of talent and there are three players at key positions who could be available when they come on the clock for picks 13, 31 and 44, some consideration could be given to a player with a checkered past.

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New Orleans might have to make one of those decisions early in the draft if Randy Gregory slides through the first dozen picks. The Nebraska pass rusher is unquestionably one of the more talented players in this draft class, finishing last season with seven sacks and 8.5 tackles for a loss, but he failed a drug test at the scouting combine and recently admitted to having issues with marijuana.

On the surface, this can be brushed off as a minor issue. Typically, finding out a player partakes now and then, would not be enough to disqualify him from a draft board. It’s the fact that Gregory knew about the test, had ample time to prepare, and still failed that will scare teams away. It brings his intelligence, mental toughness, and discipline into question.

But his talent is intoxicating. Gregory was expected to go within the first 10 picks of the draft, if not higher. If he falls, he’ll unquestionably be the most talented player available to New Orleans at a position of need. But the risk could potentially be too great of a leap for the Saints to take.

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Danno 04-08-2015 05:48 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
I guess you have to look at it from a risk/reward view.

Its likely that there will be some games missed because of off-field issues.

But, are these issues a locker room problem, or simply an off-field problem?

I'm sure there are many examples of a player having off-field issues that don't turn into locker room issues, as well as many examples of players with no off-field issues becoming a locker room cancer.

My guess is the staff weighs the risk/reward of each player and adjusts their board accordingly.

Would I spend a top 5 pick on any of these 3 guys? NO!

But would I burn #31 for any of these 3 guys? YES!

hagan714 04-08-2015 06:30 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
that is all personnel interview stuff

saintfan 04-08-2015 06:31 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 649378)

Would I spend a top 5 pick on any of these 3 guys? NO!

But would I burn #31 for any of these 3 guys? YES!

^^^
This

hagan714 04-08-2015 06:36 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
could you live with this draft after you peel yourself off the floor ?

13 - Randy Gregory
31 - Marcus Peters
44 - Dorial Green-Beckham

voodooido 04-08-2015 06:40 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 649383)
could you live with draft after you peel yourself off the floor ?

13 - Randy Gregory
31 - Marcus Peters
44 - Dorial Green-Beckham

I would be very happy!!!!!!!! Not a big fan of Beckham but he would be good at 44. Then OL and LB in the 3rd.

K Major 04-08-2015 07:34 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Are these guys super talented ? All day, every day and on Sundays.
Take him (Gregory) at 13 or 31? Absolutely not. Sign me up for Schrief or Collins with the 1st pick and Anthony or Kendricks at 31.

Failing 2, or 3 drug test is one thing, but failing to take care of his body before the NFL combine is another. Like I said in the previous Gregory thread, the kid lacks discipline. His current behavior has Josh Gordon written all over him. There is too much other talent at picks #13 and 31. I like Peters however I don't think he is in the cards.

saintsfan1976 04-08-2015 07:50 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Sure there are a handful of players team wished they'd taken a chance on.

Hindsight is 20/20.

But I'll bet there are 5 handfuls of players they wish they'd never drafted...

triman 04-08-2015 07:52 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Its a dilemma for sure .I personally think that testing positive at the combine shows that he is either dumb or dependant. Not someone I want to give millions to and use a valuable pick on . The #31 pick is essentially a second rd pick I would be willing to gamble on greatness. The club can protect itself with contract language to a small degree. Let's face it that some of the best were not necessarily boy scouts. The draft is a big crapshoot .

saintsfan1976 04-08-2015 07:57 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Marcus Peters at #31 for sure.

rezburna 04-08-2015 09:45 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
I'd be fine with any of these guys. Gregory is the only one I'd take at 13 though. I would love to see Gregory and McKinney.

Gallette and Gregory coming off the edges. Mckinney and Ellerbe running from sideline to sideline in the middle. We are instantly faster and more athletic at LB then we have ever been.

foreverfan 04-09-2015 03:28 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
If they are not stupid, I wouldn't mind taking them because....

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hagan714 04-09-2015 04:18 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
so basically i guess the answer is this

if they fall into your lap sure wth.

by the way

13 - Randy Gregory
31 - Marcus Peters
44 - Dorial Green-Beckham

might not really be not that far fetched.

Dorial Green-Beckham out for a year and carrying a ton baggage to boot. 1st rounder i have never really bought into. Domestic assault allegations and pot?

Cruize 04-09-2015 10:40 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Not at 13. Too much talent available. Plus, these talented guys almost always get a pass because they're young. At 21-23 years old, you are pretty much are what they say you are. There's a whole lot more flame-outs than success stories for those type guys. Can a person grow and mature? Absolutely. But, with that type of money, along with the brutal nature and pressure of pro sports, it's just not easy.

Rugby Saint II 04-09-2015 05:39 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
If you fail the combine drug test you're likely going to struggle with the play book because apparently you're not that bright.

mikesaintfan 04-09-2015 06:56 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Trade up for the og...Collins? Is that his name?

Danno 04-09-2015 07:02 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
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Originally Posted by mikesaintfan (Post 649453)
Trade up for the og...Collins? Is that his name?

Sort of. His name is Collins but he's probably gonna be a stud LT, not an OG.

If we're looking at OG, Sherff is probably the guy we want, and he can step in as a stud RT when Strief finally hangs it up.

arsaint 04-09-2015 07:12 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
I heard a guy on with Kristian Garic on WWL about a week back that said not only has Gregory failed 3 drug tests - he's also got a questionable motor (occassionally takes plays off).

Sorry, none of that here - PASS

I'd rather entertain trading back if he is there at #13 and someone is wanting him

arsaint 04-09-2015 07:33 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Not the guy I heard, but...

Ex-HSE star Randy Gregory: 'Senioritis' cost me Purdue spot

rezburna 04-09-2015 09:35 PM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 649455)
Sort of. His name is Collins but he's probably gonna be a stud LT, not an OG.

If we're looking at OG, Sherff is probably the guy we want, and he can step in as a stud RT when Strief finally hangs it up.

Do you like the interior lineman from Florida State as much as I do?

Cameron Irving

ikecomp 04-10-2015 09:58 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
If they're available in the 5th round, take a flyer but I don't want any projects of any kind in the first 3 rounds. We have enough of those. Plus, there's no guarantee these guys will be able to perform at the next level even if they do manage to stay out of trouble.

Danno 04-10-2015 10:35 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 649464)
Do you like the interior lineman from Florida State as much as I do?

Cameron Irving

I don't watch many FSU games, but I love the scouting reports on him.

Sounds like he'd make an ideal LG right off the bat.

His scouting reports looks like he can play all 3 Interior spots extremely well and oven OT adequately if needed.

I could see him at #31 and would be quite happy with it. Looking at some mocks we may have to move up a couple spots to get him tho, but from 31 into the mid to high 20's shouldn't cost that much.

Seer1 04-10-2015 11:00 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ikecomp (Post 649504)
If they're available in the 5th round, take a flyer but I don't want any projects of any kind in the first 3 rounds. We have enough of those. Plus, there's no guarantee these guys will be able to perform at the next level even if they do manage to stay out of trouble.

Say it with me: No more projects! No more projects! No more...

RaginCajun83 04-11-2015 12:07 AM

Re: Should the Saints gamble on Randy Gregory, Marcus Peters or Dorial Green-Beckham?
 
Another stupid article written by a "reporter" who's boss gave them a deadline during the offseason but I'll bite: only "head case" worthy of the Saints time is DGB because he's 6'5" and can run like a deer. You can't teach either one of those and it would give a meh replacement to Graham in this offense


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