Can Saints' Rob Ryan afford another down season?
 

Can Saints' Rob Ryan afford another down season?

@MikeTriplett: It's definitely safe to assume that defensive coordinator Rob Ryan can't survive another season like last year. But if it's that bad again, then there's no guarantee Dennis Allen automatically takes over since some of the blame would fall on him, too. They'll both have their fingerprints on this year's D.

Sean Payton decided to keep Ryan this year because he likes his passion, his work ethic and his ability to inspire players, among other qualities. But Payton made it clear that the scheme had to become more simplified so players are doing less thinking and more reacting. That's a critique that has followed Ryan throughout his career. As Payton recently told NOLA.com, "We've got to find ways to let them play, without splitting the atom on every snap. Let's go. Let's get them lined up and let them play fast. That starts with me as a point of emphasis with Rob."

Allen, meanwhile, is an extremely-detailed teacher and a calming influence who will help communicate Ryan's scheme to the players - especially in the secondary. I wrote about how they'll fit together in this "Odd Couple" feature earlier this summer. The Saints are intent on cutting down on all the mistakes that plagued them last year, such as assignment errors and missed tackles.

Can New Orleans Saints' Rob Ryan afford another down season? - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

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In short, no.

Will he? Man, I seriously doubt it... Combine the 2013 scheme with Dennis Allen and new talent and you've got yourself a top 15 defense.

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Bigger question - Can the Saints Afford Another Fail Defense?!?

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Not at all.

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Probably not.

2013 was our golden chance with Rob, I just don't think we were tough enough in the playoffs on offense.

Our D did everything in that Seattle game to get us a win whilst our offense couldn't manage a first down.

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O line was outmatched that day.
Armstead was a rookie in his what, 3rd game?
Grubbs and Goodwin were man-handled all day.

Graham was 1 for 6 for 8yds.
Offense was 25% on 3rd downs (normally 43%)
We ran 6 screen plays, gaining positive yards on 1....

Yeah, that was a bad day for our offense even without mentioning Lynch ran for 140yds

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Exactly, plus most of Lynch's yardage came near the end when our offense had 3 consecutive 3 and outs.

Can't ask the D to hold up when your O is putting them straight back out there every 30 seconds.

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Not that we're still holding on to that loss or anything.... :p

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No and he shouldn't be around for this one either. A good defensive coach builds defense without superstar players. My jury is still out on Ryan. The only reason I'm reserving judgment is because he's in the Black and Gold.

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We are going to be pretty clear on where we sit after the first five games next year; Cardinals, Tampa, Panthers, Cowboys and Eagles. You want at least 3 wins (preferably 4) or it is probably going to be another long season.

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All NFC teams, two divisional opponents.

After last year, not one team looks like an easy win.

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Yep, for me, if we are serious about 2015 we win all our divisional games. Need to make a statement in the earlier rounds and beat the Buccs, Panthers and Falcons (6th round). We do that and we start to put doubts into the minds of our divisional rivals and we are well on our way.

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Step one - win the division

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I think Payton himself will be on the hot seat if we have another losing season. I might go so far as to say he will be on the hot seat if we dont make the playoffs period.

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I agree this season could put the focus on the Sean Payton era.

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Only once has Sean Payton had a winning season without a top 13 defense (pts scored). And that was the 09 Superbowl Saints who's defense was 20th.

We all know how prolific the offense has been in years past. I think this year we hope for top 10 offense and top 15 defense.

Maybe this year instead of losing close games, we win them.

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Uhm I am not so sure Sean's Job will be on the line for another 3-5 years. Its not like we had many coaches win a SB nor are they around every corner we turn.

However, one thing I like about Sean is that he has no patience for someone who isn't getting the job done. Being that Ryan is out the door if that D doesn't do something this year.

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Yet he keeps hiring people who don't get the job done.

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You see any superstars... cause I dont... he had them fourth in the league...every great defense needs one or two exceptional players
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Allen won't let Ryan get behind the eight ball.

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Cardinals, gelling will be the catch phrase right out the gate for both the offense and defense

Tampa, win but a squeaker

Panthers, at Carolina and so many questions to be answered still, revenage game is all i can hang my hat on for the butt kicking at the end of last year.

Cowboys in new orleans and know Rob so well does not bold well

Eagles god only knows. they have so many changes i am assuming their fans will be the only fans with more question than answers than the saints.

you pull 3 wins out of this set and you are doing pretty darn good.

Week 6 Falcons in town is the game the saints must prove the ship is upright and heading in the right direction.

week 7 will be the game as people have point out. if the saints handle the clowns and go into this game on an upswing they stand an chance of ripping off 5 to 6 wins and row and can climb back into this thing. no matter how bad the season may start off. but the term gelling must not apply to the defense at this point in the season. if it does? trouble

week 6 and 7 maybe the key weeks for Rob.

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Sean Payton's people run, throw and catch to the tune of 27 points a game, or so,
"Should" win most games.
Rob Ryan's people can't even say "let's tackle", sometimes.
Ryan doesn't make tackles, but he's responsible for the people that are whiffing and taking bad angles.
You can't fix slow but I'm looking at the same bad techniques I saw under Spagnuolo.
We can draft quicker and build stronger but the coach has to find a way to put it all together.
This is Ryan's 3rd season. Should be "his" people now. Should look better than last season.
If there is improvement he should be fine.
If we have to score 30's or 40 against the Elites, Payton may be changing direction, again.

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Nope,he cant. I suspect things will be simplified so the players can react more and do a lot less thinking. Plus,I read that somewhere else

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I think he earned another 2 years to prove himself after the turnaround our D had the year he started. You have to give him at least enough time to establish a pattern and culture. If he can get us back to even middle of the pack I probably wouldn't be opposed to keeping him into the next season. Especially if he can pick up the turnover ratio.

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Middle of the pack might do it, but I don't think so. I think we'd better be flirting with breaking into the top ten, or we'll see Dennis Allen as our DC next year.

Obviously if we suffer key or excessive injuries that may change things a bit.