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and need a TD to get to the playoffs and you could choose any current NFL QB to lead us from our own twenty to a TD to win the game, who would you choose? Only current QBs.

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peyton manning

[Edited on 6/2/2005 by ScottyRo]

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I\'m going with Brady.

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John Freakin Kitna

Yeahh!!!

Sorry, but until Brooks isn\'t my starting QB... He\'s my guy

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I assume we\'d still have our O-line.
I\'d have to go with Vick. Our QB would be running for his life on about every play.
Brady would get killed, Manning would be OK, but Vick\'s running would be absolutely neccessary.
I\'d also take consider McNabb, probably even over Peyton.

Now if we had a decent O-line, Manning, Brady, then McNabb.

Of all time (in their prime) I\'d take Elway, Marino, Young, Montana, Favre, or Kelly, and just worry about scoring too fast.

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I definately would not take Peyton Manning. He\'s good but not when he\'s behind in the game.

Here\'s the truth about Peyton.

Peyton not the man in the playoffs
Stephen Nover

There are three things Peyton Manning does better than anyone else – break passing records, lose to the Florida Gators and get humbled by the New England Patriots.

No the Colts’ 20-3 loss to the Patriots this past Sunday doesn’t erase Manning’s record 49 touchdown passes and highest quarterback rating ever he set during the regular season. He was clearly and correctly chosen as the NFL’s Most Valuable Player.

But the defeat, coming the way it did, does open up criticism again that Manning can’t win big games. Is this criticism justified? I’ll put it to you this way; I was part of the entire Western Civilization who bet the Colts against the Patriots. So Manning can expect no sympathy from this corner.

I’m sick of hearing and reading all the time about the Mannings and how they are such NFL royalty. Archie Manning played in the NFL from 1971-1984 missing the ’76 season due to injury. His record was 59-152-3, playing 11 of those 14 years for a horrendous Saints team. He never had a winning season.

Eli Manning went 1-6 in seven starts with a Giants squad that was 5-4 in games started by Kurt Warner. So far the most Eli has accomplished in the NFL is to come across as a spoiled child by forcing a trade from the Chargers, who drafted him first overall, to the Giants.

Back to Peyton Manning. He set 42 school records at Tennessee. The Vols were 32-5 during Manning’s sophomore, junior and senior seasons. In all three of those years, though, Tennessee lost to Florida. The following year after Manning left, Tennessee went 13-0 and won the first ever Bowl Championship Series in 1998.

Sure, you can blame the Tennessee defense for those losses to the Gators. You can say why just pick on Peyton for the Patriots’ loss when Edgerrin James rushed for 39 yards and none of the fabulous Indy receivers could break 70 yards. Certainly Tony Dungy and the entire offensive game planning should be faulted, too.

Manning, however, is the conductor. He’s the fulcrum. Everything turns on him. From the very first series when the Colts went three and out you could tell this was going to be a long day for the Colts. Manning’s confidence already seemed shot. Truly great quarterbacks win no matter what the conditions are. These Colts were playoff-tested, had an offense that piled up the fifth-most points in NFL history, had the NFL’s best pass rusher and were catching the Patriots without their starting cornerbacks and star defensive tackle Richard Seymour.

So how does Manning react? He has his worst performance of the season. In the AFC title game last year at Foxboro Manning threw four interceptions. In this one he has no touchdown passes and a quarterback rating of 69.3. During the regular season his rating was 121.3. In his four previous games against the Patriots, and their wily coach, Bill Belichick, Manning has five touchdown passes and 12 interceptions. He is 0-7 against the Patriots at Foxboro. Manning has a 94.4 passer rating against the rest of the NFL, and a 73.8 quarterback rating against Belichick’s Patriots.

Indoors at home Manning is untouchable. But get Manning outdoors in a playoff game against a team other than the Denver Broncos and he’s Patrick Ramsey. If you don’t count the Colts two first-round playoff victories against the Broncos, Manning is 1-5 in the post-season. In these five defeats, which occurred against the Titans, Jets, Dolphins, and twice at the Patriots, Manning has thrown two touchdown passes and seven interceptions. His quarterback rating is 55.6. The most yards he has thrown for is 238. The Colts have lost by an average of 15.4 points.

So it’s not just Belichick that’s had Manning’s number. Yes, Manning has never had the luxury of having a good defense. But he’s in a perfect situation on offense, playing behind the top pass protection unit, being indoors on a fast track and having a tremendous running back and wide receivers. The bottom line is even with all those weapons, Manning has never put up more than 24 points in a playoff game.

The Colts’ 29th ranked defense held the Patriots to under 21 points. The Colts had averaged 33.5 points in their previous 17 games. They scored a lousy three points against a Patriots defense missing their two best defenders, Ty Law and Seymour. I don’t want to hear about the weather. This time there’s no excuse or defending Peyton Manning. Take him for your fantasy team, but stay away from him when it comes to a road playoff game.

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McNabb

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Daunte Culpepper. He\'s durable in the pocket (won\'t fumble when hit with the slightest breeze), has a good arm on the run and makes good decisions on running the ball (and intimidates linebackers). If it\'s the Saint\'s current O-line, then he\'d be the man.

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Brady....all day......

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I like how Gumbo doesn\'t pick a QB, but blasts Peyton Manning instead. I wonder how many people IN THE WORLD would take Peyton over AB. I\'d say about 99.99%. :P

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Ben Roethlisberger, because he\'ll be able to lead us 80 yards for six points for the next decade and a half... ;)

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I wouldn\'t take the choker Peyton.....TOM BRADY all the way!!!!!!!!!!

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a.j. feely... seriously, probably peyton manning, but vick\'s athleticism is warranted here.

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There\'s no one in better in the clutch than Tom Brady.

And how anyone could want Peyton Mannning is beyond me.

Let\'s face it........... Manning has the best offensive line he could ask for. He has the best receivers and a pro-bowl running back. And 2 of the best tightends in the NFL.

Manning has more talent around him than any other QB in the NFL.

And Peytons offense still can\'t get it done.

In his playoff career, Peyton has faced the Titans, Jets, Dolphins, and twice at the Patriots, Manning has thrown two touchdown passes and seven interceptions. His quarterback rating is 55.6. The most yards he has thrown for is 238. The Colts have lost by an average of 15.4 points.

A defense would certainly help. But Peyton has NO excuse for not putting up more points with the talent he has on offense.. :P


[Edited on 6/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Seriously? Again? I\'ll pull out the same argument from before.

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saintwhodi-

Up until last year Peyton hadn\'t even won a playoff game is his career.

The Bottom Line is this:

EVERY year Peyton plays terrible in the last game and the offense chokes. Who do you blame?

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Billy,

I\'d blame the whole team... :yes:

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Yeah, I just want to hear saintwhodi say someone else can be blamed besides the QB.

I just figure it would be easier for him to say it with Peyton rather than Brooks.

Sometimes you\'ve got to use another QB besides Brooks to get a point across.. :D

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I knew where you were going, but I figured I\'d point out the obvious before someone started on this whole - \"flip flop, flip flop\" carp (yes, I said carp). ;)

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Oh yeah, cause I can see how you can call a QB who throws 55 TDs in a year(NFL record) is regarded as one of the best all time ALREADY, has the ability to run a no huddle offense cause his coaches believe in his play-calling ability and intelligence that much, a problem. So AB put up this numbers in his career? When he does, he is definitely NOT a problem. Please try harder than that. Peyton was 3-13 his first year, who has come farther him or AB? Too easy.

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Let me just add also that ONLY on a Saints forum could you get away with even comparing AB to Peyton Manning. I\'d like to see anyone play this argument out elsewhere. I can start a poll on another forum with fans from all teams and see how they stack up head to head if anyone would like.

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I can give you a link to articles from the national media and from Indianapolis that call Petyon a choke artist in the playoffs.

I\'ve visited some Colts boards and many Colts fans lay the playoff losses on Peyton. Just as you blame Brooks for all of our losses...

Wanna bet?

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Go to those same boards and ask them if they wanna trade Peyton for AB. Please please please please I am begging you to do that. Then post the results here. Please. Just ask them. I would LOVE for you to do that. Please. I don\'t beg for much, but I am BEGGING you to do that.

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I\'ve never said Brooks was better than Peyton. Where in the world did you get that from?

And Brooks really has nothing to do with this.

I\'m using your arguement that if you\'ve got the talent on offense then the QB has NO excuse for his team losing.

While Peyton has put up eye-popping stats, in the playoffs he hasn\'t done good. And that\'s putting it mildly. EVERY year Peyton and the offense plays terrible and the Colts lose.

So, despite the FACT that Peyton is surrounded by the best offensive talent in the NFL, he loses and they lose by VERY BIG MARGINS.

Why do you think that is saintwhodi?

And leave Brooks out of it?

Give me a straight answer?

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Could it be cause they play the Patriots who are 33-4 over the last 3 years? How much do you wanna bet 3 of those 4 losses came on the road and not at Foxboro in the winter? I would say possibly all 4 are on the road. Think that could have anything to do with it? Of course not right. Peyton has playoff RECORDS, how the hell can you really say he chokes in the playoffs? He is losing to the Superbowl Champs and a team considered a dynasty. He crushes EVERYONE else. Be for real.

And do you think they have talent on offense BECAUSE of Peyton? Trade Stallworth to Indy and he is Reggie Wayne. Trade Reggie Wayne here and he is Stallworth. Peyton completes OVER 60% of his passes ya know and reads a defense just about better than anyone in the league.

Let\'s look at Peyton\'s OVERALL playoff numbers:

2004. 696 yards 4 TDs 2 INTs Completing over 70% of his passes. That\'s without even looking at the stats from 2003 playoffs which were record setting.

I also knew you wouldn\'t back up your statements with action outside of this forum. Just wanted to see how much you believed in what you were saying. Not much apparently.

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i\'d have to go with brady