How Hot is Sean Payton seat as Head coach
 

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Next question........

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Somewhere approaching the heat of Jesus Christ's job as Son of God.

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I've seen enough...

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Well with the lack of being able to put a decent defense on the field since he has been here . Going thru defensive coordinator like he does juicy fruit. With his awesome track record of drafting players. The number of players in trouble with the law. The scandals that have occurred under his watch the Vicodin ordeal bounty gate etc. recommending hude deals for players only to see them jettisoned out of town. there has to be warming of the seat if you ask me

The only reason its not is because of the superbowl but that was almost 7yrs ago. When is that not going to be enough to save him. We got rid of Jim Mora for less and he was just as good or better than sean payton and Mora didn't have a elite qb to work with

The thread was suppose to be a poll but obviously I screwd it up

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If there had been any substance to the Vicodin scandal, Komisar Goodell would have been on Payton like ants on a fish head!

We all know Bountygate was BS!

You can't lay the contract deals at Payton's feet!

Saints got rid of Mora because he had a good enough team to at least GET to a Super Bowl, if not win one! If he had opened the playbook a little bit the Saints would have challenged the 40-whiners.

As good as Brees is I doubt he would have been as successful if he had played in Mora's time.

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Getting pretty warm.

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I call bullcrap on all of that. At no point in the history of the franchise has it ever been as relevant. As for the number of players in trouble with the law, the Saints are in the near the bottom in the entire league in that number. You are obviously looking at that component of your weak argument in a vacuum.

And the supposed Vicodin "scandal" was addressed by Coach Vitt serving a pre-trial diversion. He admitted his guilt and served his time. And the "bountygate scandal" was total bull**** and was pointed out as such by Paul Tagliabue when he vacated ALL suspensions of the players due to no proof that any bounty program actually existed. Unfortunately, Payton didn't have the same opportunity because of the lack of a coach's union.

And, no, you didn't screw up the thread with the poll failure, you screwed it up with your entire pretense.

Sean Payton is the best thing that ever happened to the Saints (and that includes bress) and only an idiot would wish him gone.

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The Dome is totally, completely sold out. The waiting list for tickets is currently hovering at oh, around eleventy-gazillion names on the wait list. Even if EVERY SINGLE SEASON TICKET HOLDER turned in their tickets in anger/disgust at Payton, the ownership could sell the Dome out all over again, quite easily, just on people who are waiting on the list.


Why exactly would ownership make any changes at all? If they brought in a new coach, would they sell more concessions, have better sponsors, or make more money off the suites? In fact, the ownership itself is far more likely to change in the near future, right now, than any head coaching change. IF that situation changes, then you might actually see a hot seat emerge.

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Sean Payton is the best thing to happen to the Saints but we are not contenders year in and year out.

We seem to follow decent seasons with mediocre and there's always something that is a glaring weakness that has not been addressed that causes our down fall.

2009 - SB win
2010 - Made the playoffs and lost to the first 7-9 team ever in the playoffs
2011 - Great season ended abruptly to a pretty average 49ers team.
2012 - Payton suspension
2013 - Great season, we went down fighting in Seattle - I was proud of our toughness
2014 - They thought a 37 year old CB would win a starting job and we had to settle for Corey white as a starter and we couldnt close out any close games.

It's certainly getting warm, anything but a playoff berth this season is not acceptable and some questions should start getting asked about SP.

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Oh it's warming up alright. Faith will be lost in the mighty Sean Payton especially when you have a QB like Brees. I don't want to see him go but I do want him to improve a team with lost potential.

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Someone say hot seats?
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Actually, Jim Mora quit. He may well have been fired after the season, but he didn't want to deal with it anymore. Which is the reason I'm not one of these Mora apologists who say what a great coach he was, and, "if only he had an offense".

I do think that Payton is underachieving in recent years and would absolutely be on the hot seat if it weren't for the fact that we're the Saints, and he won a superbowl. He gets way too much of a pass because of it.

I'm not calling for his firing, and I've said that repeatedly. But I find it nauseating how much butt kissing goes on when his name is mentioned. Nobody else in the real world gets to live off of a past accomplishment. You have to actually keep something going. The talent has been there, and you gotta expect a little more. Is that being spoiled? There are a couple people around here riding giant horses who would say so, but those kind of people are more concerned with feeling superior than they are about examining the heart of the matter.

We've been to the playoffs here and there, but as the core of that superbowl team has aged and moved on, the roster has not been turned over very successfully. That falls on Sean and Mickey.

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I think the superbowl win gives him a good 10 years.

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Its because the division has gotten closer. In 2010 we went 4-2. In 2013 we went 5-1. Not only that, here's who we beat in 2010 that were contenders that year at the time we played them......

NFC West-0 contenders
Minnesota-non-contender
@Dallas-non-contender
AFC North-2 contenders, we beat one of them.
Division(not including us)-2 contenders
4 contenders in 2011. Three of them at home. Only one out of division and it was a team who did not match up to us the way SF did eventually.

Now 2011
NFC North-3 contenders(2 wins, both at home)
NYG-contender(another win at home)
@StL-non-contender(we lost anyway)
AFC South-2 contenders(can we really call Tennessee one though? and we beat Houston in a shootout which was at home)
Division-2 contenders at the time we played them, and 4 games.
8 contenders this season but the contender were not matched up well against our O(pass rush, suffocating secondary) and bears, lions, giants, falcons, bucs, texans were all at home. The four road contenders GB, Ten, Atl, and Tb which we split.

2012
NFC East-3 contenders(1 at home)
SF-contender(big time)
@GB-contender(big time)
AFC West-2 contenders
Division-3 contenders(yes all 3 at the time we played them were contending)
10 contenders!
We played home games against the teams that is Brees' achilles heel-Was, SF, SD(those three had top pass rushers) along with Atl and TB(Car was last game). Road games were at NYG, Dallas, GB, Den, Car, Atl, and TB where we won only two of those.

2013
NFC West-3 contenders
Dallas-contender
@Chi-contender
AFC East-3 contenders
Division-3 contenders(at the time Atl week 1 and TB week 2 were contenders)
9 contenders. Home games against SF(which we barely beat in a rally), Arizona, Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, Carolina. Road games at Seattle, Chicago, NE, NYJ, Car, and TB where we only won two of those.

2014
NFC North-2 contenders
SF-contender(at the time)
@Dal-contender(big time)
AFC North-4 contenders(at the time, Cleveland gave Indy problems like us had we gotten them at that time we could have won because they were already out)
Division-2 contenders
10 contenders!
Home games against GB, SF, Cin, Bal, Car, and Atl and only winning ONE of those. Road games at Pittsburgh, Dallas, Detroit, Carolina, and Atlanta, winning only two of those.

We have faced more competition. In 2010 it was NFC South and NFC North that could put in two playoff teams and NFC East was right there. In 2014 three divisions can do it. Our didn't. NFC West replaced us, and NFC East was right there again. In 2014 all four divisions have at least two contenders. The more contenders, the more chances of playing one.

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^2015 all four sorry

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Not very, I'd say pretty cold.

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At some point he coaches Dallas.

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We he first arrived in New Orleans I recall hearing or reading where he said he had a 5 year plan. We over-achieved from the beginning and won it all in 3 years.

Did we catch lightning in a bottle, or was it really all about Sean's influence (with a healthy assist from Loomie)?

If you ask me, we're in year two of the second cycle, if you get what I mean. The crazy-over-the-top one year suspension effed things up considerably, not to mention the draft picks, so that's kinda why I see it as year 2 of Sean's second 'master plan'.

Hot seat? I don't think Sean is on or anywhere near the hot seat. I think when he ever does leave New Orleans it will be on his own terms or at worst a mutual agreement to part ways.

He's not old, out of style or out of touch with 'today's' players. He remains one of the top offensive coaches. He has been dealt a hand that he didn't deserve, kept his mouth shut, came back with his head held high and got back to business, but hampered considerably relative to the 31 other HCs.

We whiffed on last year's draft but it sure looks like we scored this year. If we're two years in to the second five year plan we're in very good shape if you ask me.

Now, I'd love to see us win a Super Bowl with Rob Ryan cause he'd be fun to watch, but I question whether we will. Rob's seat is en fuego. Sean's? Not even lukewarm.

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Well it was year four that we won the SB, but yeah those were obviously the good times. There should not be a second 5 year plan. When he got here we were a mess. When you build up your team to championship status, it shouldn't fall apart. And it hasn't yet.... But the roster is lazily declining.

I get what you're saying about the suspension year, but that didn't affect the talent on the field. I'm becoming a broken record with this statement but, as I've said, I'm more concerned about the management of this team than I am of Payton's coaching. Just not crazy about the personnel decisions. But it does appear, at least for now, that this latest draft went okay. I haven't seen anything out of the first two picks to get excited about, but hopefully they come around, too.

Edit: I should add that I did like the signing's of Spiller and Browner. It's just unfortunate they have been injured.

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Hate to say I told ya so but

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The Browner signing is ridiculous, the guy is terrible

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Bill Parcells needs to do a Intervention with him for sure. Loomis might wanna sit down to it himself

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The seat should be on fire.

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Can we change this to a "Sean Payton should be fired" thread?

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Lot's of people could see the potential for this team to go either way. But your question in this thread was how hot is Payton's seat. I know I said somewhere in here that it SHOULD be hot if this season goes awry, but history has told us that Payton is pretty much invincible under Benson.

I would imagine there is a limit, somewhere in Benson's mind, but I'm not sure what it would take. More than likely, Payton will only leave on his own terms. Watching this team right now, my mood is moving from critical the past couple seasons to being pretty sick of this crap from Payton/Loomis.

I got in some pretty intense arguments about this since last year with some people, when it shouldn't have been an issue. But some people just wanted to live on the SB win forever, and couldn't listen to any dissenting opinion. Those people know who they are.

It's not fun to talk about this stuff, but it is what it is and you can either accept it or lie to yourself. What I hate is people saying we're not real fans when we speak critically. If being a "real" fan means being a fake person, then people can have their superfan awards. I don't need any of that crap.

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The signing made sense to me at the time. He just hasn't come ready to play at all. I'm already tired of his crap.

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Amen brother 100% agree with this entire post
Get sick and tired of people calling people a idiot, moron, or non fan because you don't see everything through the black and gold specs

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Not sure Gayle would fire Sean.

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Yup..

I wasn't in this mindset until recently but I believe it's time to turn this team toward a new direction. Listen Brees isn't getting any younger or better, Payton is getting worse as a HC and is plain bad as a play caller. With the current regime here we will circle the toilet bowl for the next few years. Loomis needs to grow some and cut ties with Payton and Brees, it's time to pass the torch, we have too much talent on this team to be this bad.

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Finally you are seeing the light. All good things come to end eventually. Last year was not a fluke. This is a bad team being led by bad coaches.

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He has to stop play calling it's terrible