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The Dude

09-13-2015 08:30 PM

My positive Paulie take on things

Playcalling was predictable as hell and we still didnt have balance. He didnt abandon the run which is good but wayyyyy to many screens.

Drew looked well, older. Didnt seem as accurate as usual and it is odd because the offensive line actually did a much better job pass blocking than a year ago.

Receivers need some work. Maybe we should look at NIcks. Colston pulled a Colston and Coleman didnt do much to give Drew confidence. Our red zone offense looks just as pathetic as last year.

Still cant get the turnover. Breaux got one but I saw at least 3-4 other opportunities blown that could have been game changers.

Payton really does seem to hate Ryan. Even if the defense plays well I think there is a riff in that marriage that cant be mended and he will never have Paytons total trust. If Payton has to second guess the defense all the time he starts calling stupid plays.

WTF was that pass to Cooks in the endzone when he was covered by Peterson? That was just dumb.

Anyway there are some positives and I do actually feel a little better about the team but it seems like there are a lot of problems that carried over from last year.

burningmetal

09-13-2015 08:43 PM

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That was uh.... Not as positive as I was expecting. But I don't really disagree with you.

And that's my neutral, um..... Newton take.

nola_swammi

09-13-2015 08:52 PM

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What I see we need to improve on is pass rush. Wr reducing the drops. Dl keeping the ol off the linebackers

Rsanders24

09-13-2015 10:08 PM

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It's a given that our offense is supposed to carry this team...as always but now that can't we need help from our defense. With what we had available I think they did decent except for not getting a consistent pass rush...

Rsanders24

09-13-2015 10:14 PM

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And Steve Spagnola has the Giants D looking good. Maybe our defense problems go away beyond who our coordinators are.

K Major

09-13-2015 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 667762)

And Steve Spagnola has the Giants D looking good. Maybe our defense problems go away beyond who our coordinators are.

They lost and looked bad on that final scoring drive by the Cows.

I don't miss that dude at all.

SmashMouth

09-13-2015 11:38 PM

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We're in transition this year. It feels like it.

pherein

09-13-2015 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 667757)

Its always one thats gonna say something about defense.

Saints ranked defense sense Brees
2014 31
2013 4
2012 32
2011 24
2010 4
2009 25
2008 23
2007 26
2006 11
of course we are going to attack the defense, exactly how long does the #1 offense 5 seasons in this period have to win games ?
Its ridiculous, and we all know those 4th ranked defenses were with weak schedules, defense folded in the playoffs. Just saying Ted, Saints fans have good reason to blame the defense, they have literally sucked.
If we just had a competent 10-15th ranked defense in this time we would have 2-3 rings by now.

Saints offensive Rank
Saints
2014 1
2013 4
2012 2
2011 1
2010 6
2009 1
2008 1
2007 4
2006 1

I mean jesus Ted we literally were the best in the NFL sense 2006 period on offense. Thats crazy. Saints fans are pissed at the defense and they should be.
Defense is the one that has to prove to saints fans, not the other way around. We have delt with this too long and now Brees's time is running out.
Everyone needs to stop making excuses for broken coverage and 7pts at the end of the game to put it out of reach. Hold - do your Job - or get fired
Frankly we are sick of the bad defenses in NO. if we cant figure it out, fire everyone on the D coaching staff and start from scratch. Cant do much worse.
So I wouldn't blame Saints fans for being fed up.

nola_swammi

09-14-2015 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 667757)

Its always one thats gonna say something about defense. Didnt you watch the game? Apparently not because if anyone comes on here and the first thing they say was horrible is defense has to be a moron! Once again our offense had the chance to win the freakin game and once again come up empty handed. We're gonna miss jg. Hell i miss him already. JG got a td pass today how many did our te's get? Um not a mutha lovin thang!

I didn't blame the defense, read before react, I said what the improvements should be. If you want to imply that I am moron I could imply that you're a illiterate

jnormand

09-14-2015 12:45 AM

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The offense is young and ready. Only to get better.

RailBoss

09-14-2015 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 667772)

They lost and looked bad on that final scoring drive by the Cows.

I don't miss that dude at all.

The Giants Defense kept them in the game with key turnovers. The last set of plays on Offense lost the game for the G-Men. That being said Spags was not the reason the Giants choked in the end. Everybody forgets when Spags was here Payton was suspended. They never had the chance to work together.

Thirty3

09-14-2015 08:06 AM

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Offensive play calling was offensive. Targeted tight ends once I think. Was this screen night? OK I get the ball control plan but dude- stretch the field some. Great long play to Snead - why not go back to more like it? Drew had time. Were the AZ corners/safeties that good? Drew looked - and can't believe I'm saying it - lost. Young D kept us in the game till the end. Payton looks to have made the coaching relationships toxic - he needs to get over himself and be a team player. Go out to dinner with the other coaches and laugh a while. Lighten up on the pressure, everyone wants to win. Try to have fun.

Mardigras9

09-14-2015 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 667734)

WTF was that pass to Cooks in the endzone when he was covered by Peterson? That was just dumb.

Now that is completely true, what is cooks 5 foot nothing?

Otherwise, for the first game of the season, on the road, against a good home team, in their house, with so many new young players, and still be in it with 2 minutes left playing poorly.............clean it up and this team will be good.
1-4 in the red-zone, 7-18 on third down, several missed opportunities for turnovers, no run game, it should have been a blow out.

skymike

09-14-2015 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 667734)

Payton really does seem to hate Ryan. ...

did you see that shot of him yelling at Ryan? Dude, its not on the Defense. YOUR playcalling, and offense
stunk up the field. If offense had done its job 50% of the time, we win yesterday, and I dont believe the Cardinals score the last 2 TD's.

K Major

09-14-2015 09:08 AM

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I didn't listen to Payton's post game pressor but did anyone get his explanation on that 4th down call late in the game where he elected to punt instead of going for it?

dizzle88

09-14-2015 09:16 AM

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Rob Ryan should have yelled at Payton

Our defense forced 3 consecutive punts and the offense did F all with the opportunity.

hagan714

09-14-2015 10:09 AM

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Offense is not to be feared at this time. I still have hope the WRs will step up. Huge gamble in the off season

Defense can play 2/3 of game but it will fold in the last 1/3. Contain the pocket? whats that? NT get driven were ever the blocker wants to take them. So it is the same ol same ol

that about sums it up

lumm0x

09-14-2015 10:31 AM

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I'll give my take on the game and both sides of the ball.

Offensively - As stated many times our play calling was suspect. I am not sure the fascination with the screens but they became very predictable. We played a top 5 defense and struggled against it. I thought pass protection was very good. It was our receivers who couldn't get the separation they needed. Robinson and Ingram ran with spark even when the holes didn't exist. Against a bad defense I think it looks a lot better.

Defensively - I was impressed with the effort and production of Jordan and Kikaha. Williams was solid in the middle but Hicks and Jenkins were non-existent. It said volumes when Davison and Richardson are in on key downs late in the game. Anthony played well as did Swann. They stood out. Other than that I don't think I heard a back 7 player be named for a good reason. Breaux's pick was overshadowed by all of the penalties and times he was playing catch up to the game which I expected alot of our young players to do so he gets a pass. Overall I thought our defense did enough to get us a win.

I expected we would drop this game and it played out pretty much what I figured. Tough, well coached team at home and I figured we would hang around and keep it close and lose a tight game.

Rugby Saint II

09-14-2015 03:11 PM

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It's not what it looks like.............misdirection baby :wink:

vpheughan

09-14-2015 04:39 PM

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The "No Plan" plan!!!!

The Dude

09-14-2015 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 667757)

Offense isnt perfect but your " once again" statement baffles me. Our offense has played better than pretty much 30 other teams in the NFL for the last 9 years and 31 other teams in the league several times. Its just math dude. No offense in the history of the game can single handedly win games without some sort of help from the defense which is more than what we have had. We won a Superbowl with one of the worst defenses in the league (25th) The only good thing about the 09 defense was take aways. And why are take aways important?? Because it puts the ball back in the hands of the offense.

I think a lot of the fans that want to blame the offense are younger and have come up watching football since the high powered offenses came to pass and are just spoiled because there arent big plays every down. The older posters know the importance of a good defense and balance.

Boutte

09-14-2015 09:45 PM

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I don't see how you can blame Brees for any of what happened yesterday. If the receivers had caught half of the balls that hit them in the hands we would have won.

Seriously, they must have dropped 10 passes.

nola_swammi

09-14-2015 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 667823)

The first thing was we needed more pass rush! so yes the first thing you said was about defense.

dayum dude are you so illiterate or do you just like the sight of your own fonts. I DID NOT BLAME THE LOST ON THE DEFENSE! Just admitt you jump to a conclusion, so quick to defend something that don't need to be defended

nola_swammi

09-14-2015 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 667745)

What I see we need to improve on is pass rush. Wr reducing the drops. Dl keeping the ol off the linebackers

If you think this quote is BLAMING the lost on the defense please block me

Rell&Gold

09-15-2015 08:39 AM

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Drew didn't look any different , except for he didn't want to turn the ball over took really safe throws but maybe that's because we only have 1 vertical threat, I say give Murphy some offensive touches I feel the defense would have to respect him more on a screen than Ingram who missed that wheel route he's not a receiving back

pherein

09-15-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 667837)

If you know football then you cant deny the fact that our offense last season had too many 3 and outs. Putting our lack luster 2014 defense in situations where they shouldn't been in. Just like yesterday. Our defense held a damn good offense at home to fg's pretty much the entire game. I saw 10-14, I saw 13-14, 13-14, 13-14 13-17, 13-17, 13-17, 16-17, 16-20, 16-20, 16-23, 16-23, 19-23, 19-23, our defense which mind you have no veteran leadership, with no name corners or defensive lineman, stopped the cardinals in the MOST CRUCIAL PART OF THE GAME 4TH QTR WITH 3 MINS LEFT IN THE GAME. They put us in a situation to WIN THE GAME. We get the ball with a little over 2 mins left with 2 time outs with a 2 min warning. What do we do? Go once again 3 AND FREAKING OUT! Punts the ball and my question is for what? We're down by 4 pts we need to keep the ball to score on offense to give us a VERY GOOD WIN PERCENTAGE because if we created a drive scores a td the cardinals would only have seconds left to try and get into fg range to beat us. If that scenario happened and our defense let them score with seconds left on the clock I would be like everyone else. I would have blasted the defense for not protecting the lead. But nooooo we never had a lead to protect! Again I'm not saying our defense last year didn't cost us games however, I am saying there were moments in last season where the sants offense could have picked up 1st downs or score to put us in positions to win the game and just like yesterday, COME UP EMPTY HANDED.

Yeah I know the O lost at least 3 games last year, but I am just saying what everyone else is thinking in NO. We are tired of the the bad defenses, and not being able to hold ever.
At least the offense gave us some dominance over 9 years, D has sucked, and the excuses are getting old because we are running out of time.

The Dude

09-15-2015 07:36 PM

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How grown ups can confuse the meaning between "loss" and "lost" is beyond me.

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