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Someone on nola typed how I felt so I am sharing.



cjcross
Some one has to be held accountable for the bad drafts or we might end up like the Jacksonville Jaguars where bad drafts and horrible scouting have cost them for years... In 2011 the saints were high on Justin Houston but didn't draft him because of character issues..Lately they've been preaching about having good character guys in the locker room but the so called good character guys that they've scouted also have a lot of injury issues as well... Davis Tull, Ronald Powell, Vinnie Sunseri.... Etc... Guys who have tore acl's I they're last season of college as if those same problems don't translate to the NFL.... But wonder where they're depth goes... They're suppose to model themselves after the patriots but the difference is that the patriots can coach, I'm starting to think some of our coaches can't... When guys with character issues enter the patriots organization, they're there and they shut they're mouth and you usually don't hear about the same issues they've had prior to coming they're and if so they're cut... Guys like Albert Haynesworth, LaGarret Blount, Chad Johnson.... Etc. As a coach, it is your job to deal with characters, egos, and other issues and if you can't handle that responsibility by shying away from players who have talent that you're afraid to coach or rather not deal with them maybe someone shouldn't be coaching here in New Orleans anymore... Because the way we've been going about scouting talent has been costing us of missing out on depth, talent, and better years... I'm not speaking on yesterday's game, I'm speaking on the state of this organization... Good character guys can't be coached if they can't stay healthy... Stop wasting draft picks and 3 years of time to develop a player you're going to eventually cut because he can't get the reps.

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We fired the scouting department and hired a new guy this year. I'd say thats accountability.


Saints Fire Director of College Scouting
Saints fire director of college scouting Rick Reiprish, among other moves | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Saints Hire Jeff Ireland
Saints make it official with Jeff Ireland | ProFootballTalk

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Can't argue much with that. I've been beating the drum, and a bunch on here as well, that our position coachs are average at best. The only coach that I can say we have had that developed talent was Aaron kromer and we let him leave. But coachs like Vitt and Johnson are past there prime and until Payton is willing to part with his "boys", things will remain the same.

As Danno has pointed out, we have taken steps this year to fix one of the issues as it pertains to scouting. But Paytons devotion to what IMO is below average assistants, it will be the reason for his exit from N.O. eventually.

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the key thing that caught my attention is that NE have developed some strong character and troubled players Albert Haynesworth, LaGarret Blount, Chad Johnson & Randy Moss. I do think Payton is doing a exceptional job with some character players but developing them have been flawed. we stepped in right direction by hiring Dennis Allen and new scouts to find the talent (love our draft this yr) but now we need a lb coach, dl coach, and ol coach (in that order)

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What is it that you guys are seeing in Dennis Allen?? His fingerprints are on this defense just as much as Ryan's and we still suck. We need to get a top flight DC and we need to do it NOW.

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Even if we did, where do you get one of these? There is no elite coordinator tree to pluck from. We are stuck with what we have this season.

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The season we won the Super Bowl Dennis Allen was our secondary coach, the defensive talent was not all that good then cause we relied on blitz to get pressure but the secondary was exceptional Tracy porter, Jabari Greer, Darren sharper & Harper was great in the secondary. Now with two 1st year db's and backup safeties (Sanford & bush) the improvements are in the right direction. I can see our secondary developing

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What you see is what we got, if the Defense goes into a death roll by mid-season SP may give RR the boot and move Dennis Allen into the
position. That's pretty much the only choice he has that I can see.

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iirc the 49ers refused to allow the Saints to interview a couple of their defensive position coaches before the Ryan hire but even this offseason there were a couple of elite defensive coordinators available and the Saints didn't talk to either one of them but even then you can't make chicken salad out of chicken **** and IMO Dick Lebeau would look like Rick Venturi with this unit

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Rightfully so. You can't give up on Ryan after 1 bad season. Now if things go as they are so far, it may be a different story this coming offseason.

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Vic Fangio (who coached the Dome Patrol) was available this offseason after the 49ers cleaned house and the Saints didn't call him, come on man

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our best defense is either on the sidelines or in rehab or a frickin hostpital how can a defense get better with pick-ups weekly off waivers or grocery baggers. if the fifth stringers would of picked off a few of them passes that cards qb gifted to them we'd be 1-0........ the season is 16 games i'm giving it 8-weeks before I start thinking draft.

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Ironically, Fangio is now the Bears DC, and this past weekend, the Bears defense allowed 31 points too.

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Preaching to the Choir I agree. But I got to thinking maybe Vic didn't
want to come back here. He was a Mora guy I think he was with him back with the Baltimore Stars. But Da Bears grabbed him up.

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well just throwing a name out there, I would of even given Ken Norton Jr a shot but time to move on. I doubt RR last past week 10 if he does then I doubt he's here in 2016

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Bears also played against a very good offense in Green Bay and have less defensive talent than we do at least in my opinion. Their entire coaching staff also had one pre season where we have had our scheme and many players in it for 3 years. I'd call equal results in a worse situation a win for them.

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And the Cardinals offense is not very good?

If you say so...

And how many rookies/backups started for Chicago? How many players in the Chicago roster have played GB in the immediate past, multiple times? How many players in the Chicago defense have played together for a season or more?
And GB was missing their top WR.
How is it a worse situation? Oh, because you say so too :)

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Eyes wide shut!

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People on this forum have to face reality. Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis have devastated our roster. They have let a ton of good players go and let us all down as fans. You name it letting Stills, Graham, Jenkins, Moore, Thomas, and many others. What do we have now a group of receivers that can't get open and a fumble fingered first receiver that quite frankly has seen his best days come and go. We let what good defensive linemen that we did have go right after winning the super bowl and never brought in one player that has been an impact player since. I hope our defense can come along but for now I will have to see it to believe it. Our offense now is by far the worst we have had and we will see Payton's play with what you got attitude till we see him replaced.

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There is so much wrong with this post. we haven't let anyone go that's been lighting it up elsewhere. Pierre don't even have a job, stills is the 4th receiver and to say that this is by far the worst offense we have seen just shows your age. The biggest debatable move has been Graham and that was a good football move. Yes we are paying the price by not having that big weapon for the red zone but sometimes you have to bite the bullet to make the team better.

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Since 2006, only Stallworth did anything with their new team after leaving the Saints and that was only one season. WR has been a revolving door and will continue to be with SP/DB here

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We let two of our successful positional coaches leave previously and thought we could replace them easily

Curtis Johnson - even our franchise reception leader (Colston) has forgotten how to catch

Dennis Allen - granted he's back, but our DB's in 2009 had such good hands

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This!!! This hurt more than any player we let walk.

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Aaron Kromer I know he been in some trouble (attacking a kid) but the OL been declining since his departure. Under his tenure as OL coach, the Saints sent five players to a combined nine Pro Bowls

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Not happening this year, even if they suck. Even if Ryan was shown the door.

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I think the o-line looked better last week then it did the entire season last year. We addressed in free agency and draft, brought in a stud at center, and it showed.

The playcall by SP and dropped balls by wide receivers.... that's anther story....

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I agree they did great, still brees was sacked a couple of times which was very rare with Aaron Kromer coaching

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Every season the roster will change.
We hope every (most every) position sees an improvement,
But money just won't allow that reality.
Since 2009 every player felt they needed to be rewarded financially.
Some got paid, some got paid elsewhere, and some we just had to let go.
Some got paid better than others which only leaves so much cap space for upgrades.
We've been fishing for bargain talent and hoping to strike gold.
Drops, missed tackles, bad angles, no sacks, poor and blown coverages...
Just average all over the field.
Looks like we are getting what we are paying for.

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Malcolm Jenkins is playing well for the Eagles. And, Sproles is prolly gonna rack up some yards too. But, I'm not worried about our run game. I'm worried about our air game and red zone. Someone has to make touchdowns. Neither Watson or Josh Hill are doing it for me and I want them to shut me up so bad.

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Any worth wile having position coach or coordinator is already working for some other team in the NFL. Picking's are thin. The college ranks are where we have to go to find some good coaches.

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Swamm, which you failed to highlight and you and others are hitting all around it is well, here's the thing...

On the field, there's no better play caller or field general than Sean Payton...

But what the Boston Patriots have that the Saints don't have is talented, competent assistant coaches...

How many of Belichick's former guys have had head coaching gigs or are on the tops of wish lists for coordinator jobs?!?

We started to right the ship with the hiring of Jeff Ireland...

But so long as Joe Vitt (Linebackers), Greg McMahon (Special Kids), Bill Johnson (Defensive Linemen) among others are in-tow, or Mickey Loomis fails to properly vet out players coming due for contract extensions, this team will continue to handicap themselves...