Sean Payton: Pass rush “wasn’t good enough” last week
 

The Saints are dealing with several injuries in their secondary at the moment, which makes it hard to find the right players to slow down opposing passing games.

One way to alleviate the pressure on the defensive backfield is to generate a strong enough pass rush that quarterbacks don’t have time to find holes to exploit, but the Saints weren’t able to get enough of one going to satisfy coach Sean Payton in their 31-19 Week One loss to the Cardinals.

Payton said the pressure “wasn’t good enough” and cited Arizona’s first touchdown, which came when Carson Palmer threw to John Brown after camping out in the pocket far too long.

“We had some hurries and some pressures, but, obviously, when a quarterback can have that kind of time, the very first touchdown, the quarterback, Carson Palmer, flushes to the right, and if you count and you watch, and you watch, and you watch, that wasn’t like five Mississippi, that was like nine,” Payton said, via the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “So that’s hard to play back-end defense if we can’t get to that player quicker and not give him that type of time.”

It wasn’t hard to see pass rush being an area of concern when the Saints decided to release Junior Galette this summer and the team is going to need second-round pick Hau’oli Kikaha to make a quick transition to the NFL after recording 19 sacks in his final collegiate season.
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So how we gonna fix this? Fire Johnson and Vitt would be a start for me.

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Why? They don't play.

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DT and WR will be our Achilles heel from the looks of things now.

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Blitz more.

Can't tell you how pissed I was watching 3 rushers at times. That's crazy, we should be sending at a minimum 4 and should be sending 5 most of the time. Simplify the DBs responsibility by playing MAN and blitz the QB. We are way too conservative on play calling from the offense and defense. Too many people are afraid to make mistakes instead of just playing aggressive football; man Greg Williams would have a field day with all the talent we have now...

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In other news, New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton legally changes his name to Sean Obvious...

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This maybe a little off topic but does anyone in this group think Sean Payton should be fired?

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Not I; And I may be in the minority, but I thought the pass rush was adequate... Kikaha and Jordan almost got to Palmer on numerous occasions... To the extent that Kikaha was being bear hugged quite frequently, which the refs surprisingly failed to find the flags... :rolleyes:

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Almost is such a misleading word...

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I think this whole statement is misleading. I thought Jordan and Kikaha had very good games generating pressure. I would agree if he said we got no pressure or performance from the interior of our line. We got no push up the gut but from the edge we were pushing the pocket.

And no Payton should not be fired. If he ever leaves it will 100% be during an offseason. Anything else would be ridiculous.

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There are idiots in almost every big group.

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I got booted from a FB group for telling him just that, he is an idiot and a hack. Booted me, gone see ya, no need to say good bye.

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Did you really expect anything else out of a coach's press conference?

I'm shocked that he even blasted the pass rush.

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We were accruing 3-4 players Sean, for pete sake, finishing installing the front!!!

Put the weight back on Hicks and Jenkins and just let those guys with Williams occupy five blockers - now you have the advantage and can randomly zone rush two linebackers from any of the four spots!!!

Geezus! We don't have defensive ends that run like deer so WTF are we putting in a 4-3 system!!!

As brilliant as Payton is on offense, I really question his grasp on defense...

And the two-headed monster he's created has the potential to really get ugly this season!!!

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JP,
I just can't find a silver lining with J Jenkins. His technique is very poor & often times he can't seem to get low enough (leverage). If you really focus in on his play, he appeared to be blown off the ball consistently vs the Redbirds - not good. Even when he was 20+ lbs heavier last season it was the same result. This is what year 3? Don't think he is the answer at the aforementioned position. He plays as soft as cotton.

This position has to be addressed and made a priority in next years draft.

Edit: Jeff Ireland will get it right.

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NT- Sean Payton- NT. I also would get rid of Johnson and my good ole' buddy Vitt.

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And your offense didn't score in the red zone.

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I understand, but you really have to break it down...

Jenkins had a fine rookie season, often out-playing the above average NT Brodrick Bunkley (who was injured that season)...

Then Jenkins tore a pectoral muscle going into his sophmore (second season); a NT basically blocks, stands up, occupies two blockers with the primary muscle group being used...the pectoral muscles...

Then the team puts him on a regimen and has him lose weight to play some kinda hybrid 3-tech?!?

Where's the continuity in philosophy for the players to follow?!?

You're that close to finally installing a 3-4 that you've publicly disclosed and then you bring in Dennis Allen (who should be there to fix, develop the secondary) and instead reinstall a 4-3 because you've slightly overpaid a 3-4 defensive end and want to justify his salary?!?

Combined with two different philosophical co-defensive coordinators - that's just f**king awful...

Payton needs to get his head out of his arse and make up his mind to get rid of Ryan or commit and allow him to install the 3-4...

You've got the beginnings of a talented front with NT John Jenkins (back at previous weight), DE Akiem Hicks (also back at previous weight), DE Cam Jordan, ILB Stephone Anthony, OLB Hau'oli Kikaha, OLB Kasim Edebali...

You've got all these young UDRFA defensive linemen gems sitting there for excellent depth...

Davis Tull will have a year to get healthy and take over opposite Kikaha...

Another 6-2/6-3 ILB in next year's offseason (draft/FA) and that secondary will shine as we'd be zone blitzing the living **** out of quarterbacks...

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Look we just don't have defensive linemen on this roster who have the kinda quicks you need to jump offensive linemen and disrupt the passer consistently...

We have big cumbersome linemen; have a front three engage the five offensive linemen and allow quicker, faster linebackers to stunt and disrupt the passer...

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called them out in national media, expect a balls to the wall performance from them this week. good move sean

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it is purely a motivational tool. he is pissing them off, he is challenging them and like most people they will want to shut him up

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exactly, what the hell do you want these guys to say, it is always the same from team to team. His blasting the pass rush was absolutely a motivational tool and I'd expect to see the pass rush play lights out this week. I may be wrong, but he just called them out and they definitely heard!

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......and the last time Payton wasn't on the sidelines turned out how?
FAIL!!

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Damn Danno, I've been wracking my brain for a witty reply and I've got nothin'. The only expectation I have is that he'd actually do something about it. Don't know what, but something.

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I would think that whatever he does, we likely won't know about it.

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That would be my guess too. If I had a crappy game my favorite coach all-time used to sneak up to me on the sidelines and in a low voice tell med "You play like a p*ssy". He knew what the result of that would be.

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I made a post on how hot Paton seat was Needless to say it wasn't received well by a lot of people

I don't know that he needs to be fired but I think his seat as coach is at least a little warm.

I do Believe that He needs the equivalent to being called to the principals office for a stern tongue lashing but who is gonna give it to him is the question

Loomis needs to be the next in that same Tongue lashing for the piss poor decisions to give guys huge deals and shipping them out of town Enitely too much deadmoney on this team. Why not let those guys leave as free agents then we could have at the very least gotten a couple of comp picks. I just don't understand some moves loomis makes

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It should be written into our defensive lineman's contracts that if any QB gets a 9 mississippi count before throwing the ball that you immediately lose your game check. that's just ridiculous

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Really were just finding this out now ?

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It is as simple as this Gap Assignments. Go back to the first thing you learn on the defensive line as a high school kid. Jenkins either blows it or just gets pushed out of the gap. Whenever a QB steps up and there is nothing but green in front of him. Some one blew their assignment. Jenkins is a huge weak link right now. He is getting pushed around by a single player and not eating up blocks.

Go back to basics: Maintain your Gap Assignments

FA looks a bit thin and as does the draft at NT next year. So the saints better get this solved by years end.

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Hagan's right. Jenkins looks like a beach ball at this point

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Sorry for us but Big John simply isn't very good.

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Neither was our run game.

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He was average in the Zona game. He played the NT so he isn't gonna register many tackles or hurries.

He graded out average in both run and pass defense. In fact he was our 7th best defender according to PFF.

Yeah, he's nothing special, but he's not bad.