Saints' real problem on offense, and it's not just Drew Brees’ shoulder
 

It would be oversimplifying things to point at the second-quarter hit that left Drew Brees with a banged-up shoulder as the reason for Sunday’s loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

There were too many issues to point to one symptom and jump to a diagnosis. But it’s the easiest, most obvious way to explain how a once-proud New Orleans Saints organization stumbled to a 26-19 defeat against a team that finished with the NFL’s worst record last season.

Brees wasn’t Brees after that hit. To be fair, Brees hasn’t looked like Brees at all during the first two weeks of the season as the offense has been too willing to dink and dunk its way to consecutive losses. But once the playbook opened up Sunday and New Orleans began trying to hit deep shots down the field, the quarterback wound up and found out his arm wasn’t there.

Again, it would be too easy to point to one play and call it the difference in the game. There were a lot of moments that could be pulled from the pile and stretched out for a game of “What if?” The interception Brees threw in the third quarter that took seven points away from New Orleans and put another three on the board for Tampa Bay qualifies as one of those moments.

It was the perfect play call. It was the third time in the game the Saints used their 22 personnel (two running backs and two tight ends). Until this point, through the first two weeks of the season, New Orleans used the personnel grouping four times. Three of the plays were runs, the other a screen.

Tampa Bay was thinking run. The play-action fake opened things up for Brandin Cooks, who took off down the right sideline and appeared headed for a touchdown. Brees wound up and threw a pass that was well short and landed in the arms of Bucs safety Chris Conte.

“It should have been a touchdown,” Brees said.

A lot of things should have been different. It would be misleading to point out that the Saints had a chance to tie the score on the last play of the game and harp on that. The defense deserves a lot of credit ensuring every snap in this game was meaningful. The offense deserves the scorn.

In fact, in a plot twist few foreshadowed during training camp, it has been the offense that has let this team down in consecutive weeks. Last week against Arizona, there were the red-zone issues. This week, despite going 3-for-3 in the red zone, there were issues all over the other 80 yards of the field

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Barry Hilarious with the Big Easy Beliver is reporting it a torn rotator cuff, out for the remainder of the year, but it's not confirmed.

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I suspect Drew has a nagging injury from last year & a new one this year.

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That was his problem last year; he changed the way he threw because of the oblique injury.

Drew Brees of New Orleans Saints 'developed bad habits' after last year's oblique injury

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We have no talent on offense anymore. We let all the talent leave and never replaced it with our crappy drafts.

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What talent did we let leave? Pierre Thomas-not on an NFL team, Jimmy-the crying is just starting in Seattle, Kenny Stills- barley on active roster. So who's "all the talent"?

It has more to do with bad O line play, QB play and the main culprit, IMO, play calling.

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I don't have a problem with the guys we let go, it was time.

My only regret is that we didn't bring in or draft a stud WR or two to compliment Cooks. A 24 year old Marques Colston type would have been ideal.

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Thank you. This is what I'm saying. I didn't mention PT in a negative. Just a rebuttal to the statement that we let all our weapons go. People who can't see that it was time for them to go are just living in the past. Nothing lasts forever. This isn't the past saints who let players go and they shine elsewhere. If that was the case, then the statement that we let all of our talent go would be accurate.

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I guess we think back to Henderson, Meacham, Moore and Sproles. It seems like Drew could throw water balloons to these guys and they would
catch em. But time moves on and we can't live in the past. However these guys were some memorable players.

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Here is what nobody gets. We need him to rest NOW and do whatever it takes to get as close to 100% before the last few games. We need him to have trade value for next year if it comes to that. He plays before he is ready and gets injured for the rest of season he will have 0 value. We will have to pay the 20 mil and hope he's good by next season or cut him outright for nothing. Then we would have to find a legit starting QB.

Honestly I think this is the last year of the Payton/Brees era. I don't think Payton will be here next year for many reasons and drew won't be too far behind him. He had 2 more seasons at most.

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If Kenny Stills was so great then why we trade him? Think maybe there was some stuff behind closed doors we didn't know at the time or still son't know. For better or worst, coach is gonna do what he thinks is best.

Do I miss having a Jimmy in the redzone, yes. But I was not bent like you and some others when we traded him. Jimmy wasn't the same player he was after all that contract bull crap. I get your point about the system but to say we lost this person and that person and the players you are referring to are not doing squat elsewhere, well the team doesn't look so dumb. In the past was different. We would let players go for non performance and as soon as they got on another team, boom!! they were superstars. This is not the case lately.

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I read that Jimmy G is unhappy with his role in Seattle. They don't know how to use.

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Some people here will never agree with this but we got the better end of the deal with Seattle. The players are basically a wash. Seattle O line is struggling without Unger and we are struggling in the red zone without Graham. What makes us have the better deal is we got there first round pick.

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The issue is you can hold back the flood waters of a bulging cap for only so long then the dam burst and all hell breaks lose if you did not draft the right players to replace the fat over bloated contracts one is dealing with.

Saints have shown appreciation to players and have been loyal to fault. This blind loyalty resulted in the cap situation they are in today. From a basic business sense many saw this day coming. People had to go.

The huge issue is the lack of young cheap quality players to step in and become starters. This is how you easy the pain of transition.

Saints bench suxs and always has for the most part. Once in a blue moon do the saints get players that really push for a starting job. The draft and free agency always seem to be a plug and play approach based on need not on developing quality depth on the bench.

Lets hope 2015 draft will be a new page for the saints draft history. 2017 and 2018 are approaching quickly and we can ill afford any more strike outs in the draft right now.

The guy is right. The issues with saints are much bigger than Drew.

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And after two games Kenny Stills has 3 catches for 20 yards.
Maybe he wasn't as good as we thought?

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Dust off the old Tom Fears "blue chip players" quote

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Those are the type we need. Nothing flashy or fancy just solid. I would take 11 solid (blue chip) players any day over 11 (flash,me type) 7 days a week. More consistant.

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"zero time"