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WhoDat!656 09-23-2015 03:38 PM
New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight
 
New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight - NFL.com

Danno 09-23-2015 03:43 PM
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... In their 2009 Super Bowl title campaign, the Saints were loaded -- particularly on offense -- with both talent and experience. The offensive line was as good as any in the game, with Jonathan Goodwin at center, Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans at guard, and Jon Stinchcomb and Jermon Bushrod at tackle. That made everyone around them better; Brees had more time in the pocket, while the ground game had bigger holes to work with.
New Orleans was deep at wide receiver with size and speed. Tight end/matchup problem Jeremy Shockey complemented multi-talented running backs Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush.

Now the line is patchwork. The Saints scored talented center Max Unger from Seattle, but they had to give up Graham to get him. Marques Colston remains at wide receiver, but he's 32 years old.

Brandin Cooks, of course, is a very promising second-year pro, but the Saints have nothing at tight end to compromise a defense and give Cooks more room to operate. They are relying heavily on the productivity of Mark Ingram at running back. Yet, behind this subpar line, Ingram is averaging an anemic 3.1 yards per carry -- easily the lowest figure of his career.

All of the above factors into the current uneasiness in the Big Easy. How can the Saints heal their wounds?

Payton might eventually have to consider taking a page out of Mike McCarthy's book and focusing solely on the head-coaching duties, ceding play-calling responsibilities to his offensive coordinator, Pete Carmichael. That could work; Carmichael and Brees have proven they are more than capable of running the offense without him. In 2012, when Payton was suspended in the wake of the Saints' bounty scandal, Brees had 43 touchdown passes and eclipsed 5,000 yards through the air. Of course, Brees' shoulder issue could delay any potential large-scale changes in duties.
Pretty fair article

spkb25 09-23-2015 03:52 PM
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good article. In the short term I can only hope that the injury to Brees was a major wakeup to this team and line and that they get their asses in gear this week.

halloween 65 09-23-2015 08:30 PM
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I can't stand Billeck but as much as I hate it I have to agree with the lick bag.

RailBoss 09-23-2015 08:41 PM
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Funny most of the things in Billicks article have been talked about on countless threads in this forum.

Rugby Saint II 09-24-2015 04:16 PM
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It's obvious that our O-line has been on the decline for years now. Grubbs was sub par and Goodwin was just too old to produce the second time around. Our LT and LG are old and their skills have been deteriorating for the last couple of years(from where I sit). Unger isn't exactly a spring chicken either. But he's not in decline yet. However, we will most likely give him an incredible extension.

Lord_Saint83 09-24-2015 05:34 PM
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What happened to the great Josh Hill? Everyone including Payton talked this guy up as the second coming of Jimmy but those who knew football knew better and so far they were right. The guy is nonexistent in the offense, great job Sean.

Danno 09-24-2015 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 670559)
What happened to the great Josh Hill? Everyone including Payton talked this guy up as the second coming of Jimmy but those who knew football knew better and so far they were right. The guy is nonexistent in the offense, great job Sean.
No one ever said Hill was even close to having Jimmy Graham's skills.

Where in the world did you read that?

NOLA54 09-24-2015 06:22 PM
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Sounds like there are others that agree with what we have been saying.

It appears Payton & Loomis think too highly of themselves. The Pats can do what they do because they know what they are doing. Payton & Loomis haven't earned it yet. Unfortunately that has become painfully obvious.

Since our owner spends his time in litigation these days, he probably hasn't been paying much attention to the team. I don't think he is capable of making decisions to pull us out of the fire. We can't count on Loomis who is part of the problem. Who's left? We might be in this mess a long time to come.

Lord_Saint83 09-24-2015 06:48 PM
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On a article on espn.com of Sean at the nfl owners meetings talking him up basically but not directly said so.

WhoDat!656 09-24-2015 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 670569)
Sounds like there are others that agree with what we have been saying.

It appears Payton & Loomis think too highly of themselves. The Pats can do what they do because they know what they are doing. Payton & Loomis haven't earned it yet. Unfortunately that has become painfully obvious.

Since our owner spends his time in litigation these days, he probably hasn't been paying much attention to the team. I don't think he is capable of making decisions to pull us out of the fire. We can't count on Loomis who is part of the problem. Who's left? We might be in this mess a long time to come.
I doubt Benson has ever had enough football knowledge to make a decision that would help the Saints.

Boutte 09-24-2015 09:07 PM
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This sounds amazingly like what was being posted in 2008. Back then though it took more than two games before we got to this point.

Mardigras9 09-25-2015 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 670559)
What happened to the great Josh Hill?
Hill did show some promise late last season, not that he is even close to replacing Graham. Moreover, where is Watson also?

To me, the part of the article I liked was
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Rumors of Brees' demise are exaggerated and premature. He is the youngest of the "Big Three" future Hall of Fame quarterbacks in his age group: Brees is 36, while Tom Brady is 38 and Peyton Manning is 39. He takes great care of himself and has the complete support of his coach.
Some perspective for the Brees is a has been .

darstep 09-25-2015 12:04 PM
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I disagree with the irreversible part.
As long as there is breath there is a chance.
The left side of the O-line looks fine.
The Strief side is what Brees is seeing constantly and
fogging up all he sees even when looking down field.
Tunnel vision is wonderful when the QB has no worries but when there
is all kinds of commotion in his face, it's hard to walk through progressions.
Brees is running through his progressions and guys aren't getting separation anyway.
I read where Strief apologized so hopefully he's ready and will make it right.
Running the football is where me a SP fall out.
I think it is and has been his word-only commitment to the run game that has been the problem.
He gives up way too soon. The Brees success factor has not help that aspect of the game at all.
There are issues, but I don't think any of them are beyond repair.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-25-2015 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 670546)
It's obvious that our O-line has been on the decline for years now. Grubbs was sub par and Goodwin was just too old to produce the second time around. Our LT and LG are old and their skills have been deteriorating for the last couple of years(from where I sit). Unger isn't exactly a spring chicken either. But he's not in decline yet. However, we will most likely give him an incredible extension.
RG (Evans) and RT (Strief) right? The young guys are on the left side.

SFIAH

st thomas 09-25-2015 12:52 PM
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strief, if you se whats going on with him is he beats out anyone trying to replace him in camp, then he gets pummeled during games at times. coaches back him like no other. that's M.O.anyway.

AsylumGuido 09-25-2015 01:00 PM
Re: New Orleans Saints in irreversible decline? Sean Payton's plight
 
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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 670559)
What happened to the great Josh Hill? Everyone including Payton talked this guy up as the second coming of Jimmy but those who knew football knew better and so far they were right. The guy is nonexistent in the offense, great job Sean.
Nobody that knew anything ever talked up Hill. A few talking heads assumed he would be the man, but anyone with half a ounce of knowledge would know that Ben Watson is far better than Hill will ever be.

MarchingOn 09-25-2015 09:23 PM
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Well written article and well analyzed by Brian Billick. So, this is why the NFL network hired him.

Normally, on TV he offers mostly cliches. Couldn't stand hearing his "insights" during the draft...couldn't wait til he stopped speaking so someone else could chime in.

Better writer and coach than TV pudit, maybe. Wonder if our front office will take heed.


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