Sean Payton needs to give up play calling duties
 

Been saying this for a long time now. Change is good and its needed right now. Geaux Saints

Brian Billick says Sean Payton should consider giving up play-calling duties | NOLA.com

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It's obvious.

We've all been saying it for years, way too predictable.

1st and 10 run for 1 yard
2nd and 9 pass to full back for 2 yards
3rd and 7 screen pass that goes for 2 yards.
Punt
Repeat.

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Let's see:

Brian Billick: Games over .500: 16
Super Bowl Wins: 1
Overall Championships: 1
Conference Championships: 1
Division Championships: 2

Sean Payton: Games over .500: 30
Super Bowl Wins: 1
Overall Championships: 1
Conference Championships: 1
Division Championships: 3

Not that I don't agree with him, but it doesn't take an "expert" to get to that conclusion.

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And give it to who? That's a silly statement. Payton is better than anyone we bring in to call plays.

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He just needs to refocus his play calling. Is he still dating hot young things?

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I'm all for it, anything that might turn things around. SP is to damn stubborn though even though Carmicheal called plays in 2011 and 2012 and the offense run smoothly

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Sean Payton will bring this offense down with him.... He should focus on the head coaching side of thing it would be nice to see a offense that I didn't know what play was being ran next....

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The Cowboys, the Packers both of these teams have recently turned the play calling over and the QBs love it.

Sean, please take yourself out of the this equation. If you can't or won't do it then leave.

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This thread is FREAKING STUPID. The problem over the years has been DEFENSE AND DRAFTS and slightly better teams. And lets not forget this idiot.

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This year the problem is 25 new players, Brees injury killing the passing game over 10 yards, young WRs and penalties. Throw in salary cap numbers to keep the team competitive for 9 years, and if you still think Payton is the problem, you must be a new fan or not paying attention.

Saints Offense Yards Per Game - Regular Season

2014 #1
2013 #4
2012 #2
2011 #1
2010 #6
2009 #1
2008 #1
2007 #4
2006 #1

Some of you fans must be stupid dog lovers or something. :cool: :doh:

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If you think it's stupid please be a adult and not comment. Actually I have been watching, this year's team....you can quote past success but we are talking about the 2015 Saints. Change is need because of the 25 player you quoted. More then ever Sean need to be a head coach not a offensive head coach. I really don't see where I said Payton was the problem so please tell me where you got that from. Anyway Sean is a great coach just like Brees is a great QB, it's time to trust the system he has put in place with the OC and #9 and focus more on other parts of the team. Oh and I don't like dogs.

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How about Carmichael who has already demonstrated he is a better play caller.

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Payton isn't the problem in 2015 and it is stupid to think so. Maybe it is all of the problems with Benson and the ownership. Did anyone point that out? :confused: Maybe because training camp wasn't played in the heat of Metairie for the 2nd time. It ain't Payton. Payton is doing what he does best. Suggesting anything else would still put us at 0-2. :rolleyes:

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I have no idea why people pick on SP when the defense has sucked for so long.
Your try putting up 35pts a game for 9 years to win, its pathetic. We should be Booing them every time they waste clock and allow 30 pts.
We have had the worst defense in the NFL for 9 years and the best offense in the NFL for 9 years, and your mad at SP?
Im piss at some of his calls, but I know what lost us playoff games, and cant hold, and that defense. They suck

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I understand what you mean but the offense has been letting us down for 2 seasons now, especially at home.

Look at last year

Vs falcons in the dome we scored 7 points
Vs Bengals in the dome we scored 10 points
Vs panthers in the dome we scored 10 points

Of course the defense will let up points if the offense are on the field all of 15 seconds and then punt it straight back.

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Do yards win games though?
Last time I checked we had 408 yards vs the cardinals but came away empty on 3 redzone trips.

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Not always but in general yards do win games. However you have to factor in things like turnovers since that can skew how much yards a team produces. Hidden yards are a key, penalties, returns etc.

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Not sure if the play calling is a real issue, but I get the point of it for the reason to focus on being the head coach. The problem with anyone trying to call plays is the talent level is considerably lower than it was just a few years back. Devery Henderson, Lance Moore, Jeremy Shockey/Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, Pierre Thomas, Colston in his prime, okay now that you get the point where are the replacements for all these guys? Brandin Cooks is a nice start but who else do the Saints have in the passing game?

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A head coaches job should be to focus on the area of the team that needs the most help....I'm sick of everyone complaining about the defense when everyone of us and every other team knew it would suck....well now we have the offense to match. I will say this again....for the last 4 years everyone said lets just not have the worst defense in the league and we would win 10+ games. But that's what happens when you just trade all your weapons on offense away.

Now, let's talk about Brees...before the hit last week he couldn't throw the ball down the field so don't use this injury as an excuse. When was the last time he three a 40 yrd or more pass down the field that a wr didn't have to stop a wait for the ball to fall out the sky? This team sucks right now period...and I'm for anything that might help so just maybe Carmichael might give us a different look on offense.

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First of all, one or more of the veterans is inadvertantly tipping our plays at the line; as much film as there is on these guys, someone was bound to find something...

Second, the right side of our line is 30+ years old, each, have gotten paid, so there not as spry as they once were...

Third, the best receiver in franchise history and probably as classy a person that has donned the black and gold probably has an arthritic knee and has been giving one of the bravest performance in sports right before our eyes with no fanfare - a trademark of his character...

Fourth, we've got a 2015 rookie first round pick who came in out-of-shape (not the first) who needs to step the **** up and energize the right side of this offensive line...

Fifth, we had two second round picks taken from us in back to back drafts - not that the Saints have done a stellar job in the draft prior to Jeff Ireland's arrival, but look at some of the names in those rounds that would have been there and process...

Finally, the front office decisions with regards to Free Agency have been as big a handicap as the loss of those two second round picks; failing to outmaneuver Brees and agent by not signing Carl Nicks ahead of Brees, overpaying, rather over-extending for Evans, failing to sign a very affordable free agent guard this season, the front office effort and decision making has been completely awful since the fortunate bounces in 2006...

Now that processed, when you factor the committments to Unger, Spiller and Ingram, as well as having the luxury of Khiry Robionson, not to mention an untapped Marcus Murphy, Payton has got to make more of a committment to the run...

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I understand all the stats and all that but and I say but, most of drews yards are thrash yards at the end of games that don't put winning games in the stat mode thrash yards. after game is over or been over,the comeback stats or getting old because its been awhile since he led a comeback.

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Good points on both sides of this.
Giving up play calling helps him focus on HC of a real new team.
On the other side, ineffective execution and inability of receivers to get separation means to me that it wouldn't matter who was calling the plays.

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Isn't the purpose of offense to score points? Fantasy Football owners know that QBs & WRs rack of monster yards when they are constantly trailing in the 2nd half.

This "#1 Offense" business is waaay misleading.

Scoring Offense Numbers (NFL Ranks) NFL.com

New Orleans Saints

2014: #9
2013: #10
2012: #3 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #11
2009: #1 (Super Bowl)

The argument I make is in the numbers: I believe Carmichael can get this offense to put up more points than Payton can with play-calling. The NFL has Payton figured out & I'm thinking "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" between QB & HC. Just my opinion, though.

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Not silly at all. Pete Carmichael is the Saints offensive coordinator. He has had play calling duties for the team for a season and a half over the past 5 seasons. I don't have the numbers right in front of me but I'm almost certain that the Saints offense was #1 or #2 in both yards and points during his tenure.

Payton calls plays out of ego, not out of necessity. He should have given up that job when he came back in 2013 after seeing the outstanding job Carmichael did in 2012 while Payton was on suspension.

SFIAH

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Want me to pull up TD's, 3rd down conversions, redzone, and 1st downs ? Ive looked at them 100 times, its the same. Im assuming you can do your own homework.
No one is #1 in every catagory, but we have hardly gone below 5th in any catagory for 9 seasons. So whats your point ?
You know its an accurate stat. Just saying diz, you know Im not trying to make the O look better than they are.
I was totally pissed at SP's calls this and last season. Pissed at Brees for losing 3 games last year.
But you know as well as I do we might have had 2-3 rings by now if we didnt have a sucky D. Better yet look at the D stats lol . You lauph your ass off.
If I was OC for saints for sense SP I would have ended up in jail, because I know I would have shot a few of the DC's.

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Good stats thanks though if you look at passing offense we were #2 in 2013 and so on. I agree O is to make points. Carmichael is a great play caller. People can see the passes as garbage yards or #2 at 3rd downs as meaning nothing in the same year, but it might also be that your playmakers got the ball and couldnt get in the enzone. In 2013 we were 12th in the redzone. We are currently 17th.

New Orleans Saints red zone
2015: #17
2014: #7
2013: #12
2012: #2 Carmichael calling plays
2011: #6 Carmichael calling plays
2010: #19
2009: #5 (Super Bowl)

I dont even want to look up D its all 25-32. And allot of these stats get messed up because your D is always failing so your fighting desperate all the time. With a 15-10th ranked D those stats would be higher.