Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

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Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

This could be a way of getting something for him. If they put the tag on him, they could make a trade.

I\'d like to see him stay around, but he must be asking for some crazy amount.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

If Benson is as cheap as they say, no way this will happen. ;)

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

If we \"tag\" him, he\'ll be harder to trade. Commanding such a large salary and an injury prone history will make him hard to dish.

If I had to bet, I say we\'d try to set up a deal for him, then sign him for something reasonable to the team who wants him.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

We can\'t trade him unless we tag him Kool cause he is unrestricted. If we sign him, we will be responsible for the bonus associated with signing him. Also, if we were to tag him, I guarantee another team will have a deal on the table, and a contract ready. He is not guaranteesd the tagged salary once he is traded and his new team can work out a new contract, which I am sure again will be worked out before they decided to tag him. The Saints, hopefully, aren\'t dumb enough to blindly tag him.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

If he is traded, can\'t the other team work a new deal for him?

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

This is how things have to work in order for us to trade Howard.

1. We MUST tag him.

2. We seek and find a trade partner.

3. Howard agrees to sign a deal with the new team.

4. We make the trade and Howard signs with the new team.

It all starts with tagging him. If not, he will walk on March 2, and we will get no compensation.

If we tag him and cannot find a trade partner, we have two choices. Keep him at the monster salary or remove the tag and let him go. (There is a deadline for doing this but I don\'t know what it is.)

My opinion is that there is no way that we should not use the tag. To let him walk without even trying to get compensation would be rediculous.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Isn\'t that what I said.? ;)

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Yeah, well you can kiss my :o ....j/k.

We\'ve both said this before, but it\'s not registering with everyone. It\'s not even opinion really. Fact is: tag him or get nothing for him.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Come now Danno - I know you recognize the difference b/w spending on players (within the cap - $ that he will spend anyway), and $ that he spends on his own.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

well if thats the case scotty then its the best idea obviously. if he stays im ok with it. if he go\'s and we get something for him im ok with it. either way it works for us. i just dont want to see us let him go for nothing. so i think that is great if thatsb how it works. hey scotty corect me if im wrong here and i may be. especially since he isnt signed right now. but i was reading somewhere right afetr the season that we could put a restricted free agent tag on him in which we could match an offer or let him go and get compensation through draft picks. im not sure i am at all right that is just what i read or thought i read. i could be wrong. let me know ok

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

The restricted tag is for players we draft and have been here 3-4(depending on contract years I believe) years and are eligible for free agency. I do believe we can tender them a 1 year qualifying offer, and if a team signs them away we get compensation or we can match. Howard is not eligible as he would be an unrestricted free agent. Basically the restriction is not like the franchise tag, but allows us to retain or get something for our recently drafted players.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

There are two categories of free agents: restricted and unrestricted.

From within these two categories come the \"franchise\" and \"transition\" designations (aka tags).

NFL.com has a page that describes and defines these terms:

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/qa

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Maybe this is impossible, but I was thinking something like this.

Say there is a team that doesn\'t want to bid for Howard on the open market. They offer us a some compensation to sign him to a deal they like, then we trade him.

It was my understanding, and I plead total ignorance on this, that a player\'s contract goes with him (though his signing bonus doesn\'t). Thus, the new team would have to renegotiate or they\'d have to pay his current contract.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

If we sign him, any bonus he is entitled to in that contract we have to pay. We HAVE to tag him cause NO AGENT in this world will let a player sign a contract with no bonus. What if the team was then so say, well hell, we aren\'t paying him a bonus, let\'s just keep him? Uh-uh. The only way we can trade him is if we tag him, then the new team can work a deal with him, which like I said before, will prob be resolved on all sides before the move is made.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Then my scenario does make sense? I\'m confused.

We could sign him and pay the bonus. We could then trade him and everything but the bonus to another team. This would be like paying for draft picks - we pay Howard\'s bonus, the other team gives us draft picks as compensation for that and they get Howard without having to deal with the free market.

Now, maybe that would never happen, but it is at least plausible, right?

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Ok, What you\'re suggesting is we give a team Howard under a long term contract plus pick up the signing bonus and in return you expect a higher amount of compensation than we\'d get for trading him based solely on his value as a player. Is that right?

I suppose it\'s possible. I\'ve never heard of it happening. The way I described above was the way Peerless Price went to Atlanta and, I believe, T Jones came here. But I guess your scenario is a way to \"buy up\" - so to speak - the compensation.

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

There are two problems with your scenario, JKool:
1. Signing bonuses are often in the 20% range of the total contract, so if he signs a 5-year deal for 30 million, the Saints (or rather Benson) would have to pay 6 million just for draft picks - and we mostly agreed that we wouldn\'t even get a 1st round pick for him. JUST for the pick.
2. The signing bonus of a traded player counts against the salary cap.

If it happens it will happen in the order ScottyRo laid out, Howard will not receive a signing bonus from the Saints for leaving.
Regarding circumventing the free market: Howard\'s agent will test the free market, no doubt about it. It is unlikely that a team would try to make a trade for him before knowing he will agree to a deal. It\'s not nice to be embarassed *cough* Ravens/Owens *cough* and you might just wind up with lost draft picks.

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by no_cloning]

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

Scotty and cloning, thanks for the thoughts. I\'ll revise my view.

LK, I feel like I may have said something that keeps you from saying more in your posts. If I did, I truly apologize. First, welcome to the board, in case I didn\'t welcome you sooner. Second, I think you\'ve brought some stuff here that is of value, I really wish you\'d just say what you were thinking (on top of posting all the great information).

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

hey, np, you\'re kool. no offense at all. i just squeeze in some posts here when i can. i do like posting info and stuff other than some rant or surpentine logic arguement.

i just put that link there cuz i know the free agency/cap/franchise stuff can be confusing. to me it is usually easier to go over some reference material like that rather than hash it out post to post with us of all varied degrees of knowledge.

thanx for the friendlies tho. my rants are much in line with the consensus here but i\'ll bust some new leon digs soon. LOL

Len Pasquarelli on Darren Howard
 

:cheers: