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ChrisXVI 10-05-2015 10:20 AM

PFF Grades: Saints vs. Cowboys
 
— This was a busy off-season of rebuilding for the Saints, and their top two draft picks on defense stood out with strong performances, particularly against the run last night. Hau’oli Kikaha (+3.1) and Stephone Anthony (+2.5) both earned the highest grades of their young NFL careers last night, and led the New Orleans’ defense with a combined 11 stops. Each of them added a sack, taking down Brandon Weeden (+0.1) after he was moved out of the pocket by other pressure.

— Sometimes as a quarterback, you have to take advantage of your good fortune in having bad plays nullified—that’s exactly what Drew Brees (+0.9) did last night. An interception, a dropped interception and another miss were all nullified by penalties last night, leaving Brees’ passing grade on non-nullified plays at +3.8. When the plays stood, Brees was on point; particularly on intermediate and deep throws, compiling a stat line of five-of-seven, 167 yards and the game-winning touchdown (+4.7 PFF passing grade) on passes aimed 10 or more yards in the air.

— Playing corner in the NFL is a tough gig, and the difficulties in terms of performance and perception were highlighted very well by the night Delvin Breaux (+1.1) had in coverage. Targeted nine times by Brandon Weeden, Breaux surrendered only two catches, but one of those was the game-tying touchdown at the end of regulation. Prior to that, Breaux stood up to a barrage of deep throws, winning more than he lost, cutting off routes and preventing the receiver from reaching the target point; but his eventual loss in coverage will be what sticks in the mind.

Top performers:

OLB Hau’oli Kikaha (+3.1)

WR Willie Snead (+3.1)

HB C.J. Spiller (+2.9)

LB Stephone Anthony (+2.5)

DT John Jenkins (+2.4)

My takeaway: I believe we might just have us some bada$$ linebackers!

K Major 10-05-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 673343)
Top performers:

OLB Hau’oli Kikaha (+3.1)

WR Willie Snead (+3.1)

HB C.J. Spiller (+2.9)

LB Stephone Anthony (+2.5)

DT John Jenkins (+2.4)

My takeaway: I believe we might just have us some bada$$ linebackers!

Good work by all but Kikaha specifically ... those record number of sacks (I think 19 in college) don't appear to be a fluke. This kid is on pace for 15 this season.

Is it too early to call him K Sizzle :p?

The Dude 10-05-2015 10:47 AM

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I think it's worth mentioning that Ingram had a solid night. I believe there is something to the theory of giving him touches to gain momentum. If God forbid Robinson went down I think Ingram would really shine.

Also Evans was not missed. Our line wasn't great but it wasn't when he was playing.

ChrisXVI 10-05-2015 10:51 AM

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I occasionally check out WalterFootball.com for his draft prospect coverage and it's always funny going back and reading his draft grades when he's completely wrong. He HATED us picking Kikaha in the 2nd round and this is what he said:

WHOA... I didn't even have Hau'oli Kikaha being drafted, and there were teams that didn't even have him on their boards because of numerous knee injuries. The Saints could've A) obtained safer players who are close in terms of talent, or B) waited several rounds to draft Kikaha. This is a major head-scratcher.

I was critical of us picking Kikaha in the 2nd round as well, but what do I know?! I'm sure glad I was wrong.

vpheughan 10-05-2015 10:54 AM

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Should have drafted a PK

Beastmode 10-05-2015 11:03 AM

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Dallas injuries took a toll for sure. Spiller TD direct result of it. It took all those starters coming out and a couple of dropped gift picks to squeak it out...I'll take it but that many fortunate circumstances happening again, if that's what it takes we are in trouble. Even getting the OT coin flip was huge, Dallas was worn out.

nola_swammi 10-05-2015 11:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 673343)
— This was a busy off-season of rebuilding for the Saints, and their top two draft picks on defense stood out with strong performances, particularly against the run last night. Hau’oli Kikaha (+3.1) and Stephone Anthony (+2.5) both earned the highest grades of their young NFL careers last night, and led the New Orleans’ defense with a combined 11 stops. Each of them added a sack, taking down Brandon Weeden (+0.1) after he was moved out of the pocket by other pressure.

— Sometimes as a quarterback, you have to take advantage of your good fortune in having bad plays nullified—that’s exactly what Drew Brees (+0.9) did last night. An interception, a dropped interception and another miss were all nullified by penalties last night, leaving Brees’ passing grade on non-nullified plays at +3.8. When the plays stood, Brees was on point; particularly on intermediate and deep throws, compiling a stat line of five-of-seven, 167 yards and the game-winning touchdown (+4.7 PFF passing grade) on passes aimed 10 or more yards in the air.

— Playing corner in the NFL is a tough gig, and the difficulties in terms of performance and perception were highlighted very well by the night Delvin Breaux (+1.1) had in coverage. Targeted nine times by Brandon Weeden, Breaux surrendered only two catches, but one of those was the game-tying touchdown at the end of regulation. Prior to that, Breaux stood up to a barrage of deep throws, winning more than he lost, cutting off routes and preventing the receiver from reaching the target point; but his eventual loss in coverage will be what sticks in the mind.

Top performers:

OLB Hau’oli Kikaha (+3.1)

WR Willie Snead (+3.1)

HB C.J. Spiller (+2.9)

LB Stephone Anthony (+2.5)

DT John Jenkins (+2.4)

My takeaway: I believe we might just have us some bada$$ linebackers!

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...in-saints-win/

halloween 65 10-05-2015 11:46 AM

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Well today(so far only today) I got to eat a little crow on Anthony. I'll give him credit were credit is due. He filled his gap assignment well and called a decent enough game. The guy still has a long way to go though, Dallas was depleted on both sides of the ball but maybe(maybe) this is the type of game needed to build a little confidence on. I'm still not close to being sold on his pick but it's up to him wheather I eat more crow or not.

Mardigras9 10-05-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 673362)
Dallas injuries took a toll for sure. Spiller TD direct result of it. It took all those starters coming out and a couple of dropped gift picks to squeak it out...I'll take it but that many fortunate circumstances happening again, if that's what it takes we are in trouble. Even getting the OT coin flip was huge, Dallas was worn out.

Dead on I believe. Maybe breaking the seal on finally winning will jump start this team, we'll see.

Danno 10-05-2015 12:22 PM

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Complete grades...

RaginCajun83 10-05-2015 12:55 PM

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sorry but I can't take anything that grades Strief as a +1 seriously

Barry from MS 10-05-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 673357)
I occasionally check out WalterFootball.com for his draft prospect coverage and it's always funny going back and reading his draft grades when he's completely wrong. He HATED us picking Kikaha in the 2nd round and this is what he said:

WHOA... I didn't even have Hau'oli Kikaha being drafted, and there were teams that didn't even have him on their boards because of numerous knee injuries. The Saints could've A) obtained safer players who are close in terms of talent, or B) waited several rounds to draft Kikaha. This is a major head-scratcher.

I was critical of us picking Kikaha in the 2nd round as well, but what do I know?! I'm sure glad I was wrong.

That pick got graded "F" initially if I remember right.

What I like so far: improvement from his mistake in the AZ game of allowing Palmer to break containment for a TD pass in Week 1 to now in Week 4's win. His play is actually showing results with Week-to-Week improvement quicker. Anthony's progression has been slower, but last night Anthony took a turn in the right direction for the first time this season.

Danno 10-05-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 673396)
sorry but I can't take anything that grades Strief as a +1 seriously

Look at Kelmete's grade (-4.6, thats almost Jason David bad). Perhaps much of the pressure wasn't really Strief's main responsibility.

But yeah, I would have thought he'd at least be negative overall.

dizzle88 10-05-2015 01:33 PM

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Kikaha and Anthony are quickly becoming two of my favourite players
Kikaha has 3 sacks in 4 weeks and 2 forced Fumbles, the guy is going to be incredible for us.

Imagine if we draft or sign a beast OLB to replace Hawthorne, we might just see play close to the Dome Patrol once the guys have got a couple years under their belts.

Crusader 10-05-2015 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 673398)
Look at Kelmete's grade (-4.6, thats almost Jason David bad). Perhaps much of the pressure wasn't really Strief's main responsibility.

But yeah, I would have thought he'd at least be negative overall.

I've said it in another thread. Kelemete had an absolutely atrocious performance and was indeed a big part in Strief looking worse than he played.

Danno 10-05-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 673407)
I've said it in another thread. Kelemete had an absolutely atrocious performance and was indeed a big part in Strief looking worse than he played.

It was disappointing because he looked pretty good against Carolina. I thought he may be just what we needed for a declining Evans. Uhhh, maybe not.

WillSaints81 10-05-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 673353)
I think it's worth mentioning that Ingram had a solid night. I believe there is something to the theory of giving him touches to gain momentum. If God forbid Robinson went down I think Ingram would really shine.

Also Evans was not missed. Our line wasn't great but it wasn't when he was playing.


The same thing can be said for Spiller. And what solid night? He stalled a drive that could have led us to a blowout.

Rell&Gold 10-05-2015 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 673391)
Complete grades...

Strief got beat twice for sacks how did he get a positive Pass Blocking?

Rell&Gold 10-05-2015 06:04 PM

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If Kelemete is -4.6 Strief was a -5.0

Danno 10-05-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 673490)
Strief got beat twice for sacks how did he get a positive Pass Blocking?

Because perhaps it wasn't his responsibility? Maybe he shifted to help Kelemete and we all saw it as Strief's fault, yet the experts know it was Kelemete's fault?

Just speculating, I'm not gonna pretend to be an NFL expert on who was supposed to block who.

Its similar to when Shanle was blasted for years. An actual NFL expert pointed out that numerous times Shanle would see that someone else blew their assignment, then tried to compensate and the whole world sees Shanle trailing some TE or RB and assumes it was his fault when it wasn't at all.

None of us are experts. We think we know, but we don't. (Cue the Mora "you think you know" video for the 700th time :rolleyes:)

CharityMike 10-05-2015 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 673500)
(Cue the Mora "you think you know" video for the 700th time :rolleyes:)

Ok :moon:


Rugby Saint II 10-08-2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 673391)
Complete grades...

You are the man Danno! Thanks for sharing. I feel better informed now.:saintsfan:

Danno 10-08-2015 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 673524)

Wow thanks, I hadn't seen that one yet.:rolleyes:


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