Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

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Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

at 34 we do not need to invest too much into joe horn... i love the guy and all but we can\'t sink to much nickel into a player in the twilight of his career... now, if he was about 5 years younger, then sure, pay him, he\'s earned it....

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

until we have somone to replace him we have no other option

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

We can\'t do that financially, especially when we need to shore up our defensive side of the ball.

If Joe is going to insist on such a contract, we\'ll have to let him go.

SFIAH

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

Watch out, talking defense in a WR post might bring some resentment! ;)

You know, maybe Brooks just looks for Horn more than any WR we have. If Horn leaves, he may start locking on someone else. Who lnows, maybe Donte will become the next Horn.

After Horns comments about the fans I\'m all for trading/releasing him and going in a different direction. But I hold grudges.
Maybe we can work a sign&swap&compensate with the Ravens for Hartwell, or any other player of theirs on defense.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

I defintely want to keep Horn around since he\'s been one of our most consistently good performers over the past 5 years. BUT, if he wants that kind of money - especially a huge signing bonus - we may just have to let him ride out the last year of his contract with us and see if anyone else will be willing to pay him that kind of cash after \'05.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

Franchise Horn, sign Porter, then let Horn walk next year. If not, Horn please don\'t let the door hit you on the way out. He is not Marvin Harrison nor Randy Moss, which means he can be replaced.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

Just a hunch, but I think ole Joe wants out of New Orleans, whether it be in a Saint uniform or not.

Eli Manning, NY talk show, 10 minute weekly call in, $100,000.
Joe Horn, New Orleans radio show, 1 hour, $10,000.

Think Joe has Los Angeles money on the brain?

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Joe is one of the all time best we have ever had in N.O. but he isn\'t all we have or need. If he is going to demand that type of money at his age we have to let him go. Gonna miss you Joe!

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i enjoyed watching joe lead by his playing more than his mouth last season. he is a tough go-to guy even if he does not have gamebreaking speed. the game has turned into tough business tho. the fact is, at 33, he will be fortunate to maintain his skills at the level they are for another coupla years. he is still under contract for the coming season. i dont see the wisdom of an extension unless he makes it friendly for the team. not to beat the pats successful cap model into the ground, but milloy was an integral to their defense but they thought he wanted more green than what his production warranted. who cannot like troy brown? at his age he will probably have to restructure his contract to team friendly numbers to stay there. so as much as i like joe i gotta ditto the pats model. if he was 3 years younger it would be completely diff. as pointed out in some thread here, the saints west coast theme has been quite pass happy. if brooks completions over the past 4 years were spread evenly between 2 wr, 1 te, and 1 rb it would be 75 catches each per season. that does dim joe\'s numbers to me somewhat. somebody had to catch\'em. --my 2 cents

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Well My opinion is more in line with LKelly67, while some of the other comments made me cringe :nono: with the thought of the loss of Joe Horn, But this can be a positive for the Saints, we Franchise Howard this year, Trade him, get Value, and then we have Deuce and Horn playing in contract years. History of the NFL shows contract Year veterans will likely perform better, I think Deuce is top priority, sign him lock him up, and we have the choice of franchising horn, Drafting a wide receiver next year, possibly trading Horn under Franchise tag, or letting him Play 1 more Year with us wich would Be in turn another contract year...... ;)

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If ever there were a player who has demonstrated to be a distraction .... it would be Joe Horn.

Joe has publicly aired his dissatisfaction with the coaches and fans!! (for the record, I don\'t give a damn what Joe says!)

But, Joe is a \"gamer\" who shows up to play every Sunday. And he plays through injury and does everything he can to help this team win on the field.

It would be risky to cut Joe without having a \"proven\" number-one to fill his shoes.

BUT, IMO, it would be even more risky to sign a 34 year old Joe Horn to a big long term contract. It could hurt in terms of filling other needs.

Joe is not, and never has been, the caliber of receiver that Marvin Harrison is!

If that\'s what Joe will demand (say it ain\'t so Joe!), then .... Joe\'s just going to have to test the free-agent market...

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

What would it take to start from scratch?
LOL

We could trade every player of value for a pick, and trade or release every other player, and take only Draft picks for this year and next... Keep every one on the roster that were picks in the last 2 drafts and beteh youngest team in the NFL... Let those players play together for about a year or 2 and we might have a superbowl caliber team.......LOL

Do not take this seriously, but I do wish we could just keep the Players everyone agrees are good players and make the right amount of money for there skills/age, and just take young players from the Draft and FA and go from there......LOL
Oh and By the way spend the best money to bring Randy Meuler back, and Hire The Best coaches available start fresh, change up the Uniform and Start buying our tickets to the Superbowl........ LOL

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BTW My last post was Just BS........ :icon_bs:

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;) Just bumping this Joe Horn thread, cause to me the other is just argument btw Gumbo and Whodat........... plus there is plenty ammo here for that argument also LMAO

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You\'re right, there is!! :)

Seriously? So then I guess Aaron Brooks was a HUGE distraction IN-SEASON when he stated that he was a \"great player on an inconsistent team,\" right?

It\'s BS like these statements that should make it clear to people what the intent of the poster is. First, Joe Horn didn\'t bach Haslett, he supported him. I think Horn is nuts to do so, but he did. He put the blame back on himself and his teammates and challenged them to live up to expectations.

Second, how did he distract the team? Distract them from what? Playstation? Even if it were in-season, I\'ve never seen Horn take a shot at a teammate. Even when the rumors came out about the WRs talking smack about AB when they were watching film, Horn quickly tried to support Aaron. He\'s a distraction to fans, but I haven\'t seen anything to suggest that Horn\'s antics effect the team\'s concentration. I\'m sure Billy would never make a statement without some solid grounds though, so Bill, what are those grounds? LOL.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

.....well hell, I\'m eyein J-Lo booty, but that hasn\'t came true yet.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

Did you see Aaron Brooks is \"eyeing\" Manning type money?!? Wow.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

Let me expose you one statement at a time, WhoDat!

AB compared his situation with that of Delhomme. Said Delhomme benifited from playing on a great team. Brooks said he was a great QB that played on an inconsistent team. So what? Joe Horn said he was a the BEST receiver in the NFL who played on a bad team? What\'s the difference, my man?

The new guys here probably don\'t know your history here. So, let me let them in on it. WhoDat has said in the past that he HATES Aaron Brooks. WhoDat is a Jake Delhomme worshiper and HATED the fact that Haslett kept Brooks and got rid of Jake! That\'s where his HATE of Brooks stems from. WhoDat hates the fact that AB got the big contract. WhoDat HATES everything about Brooks.

Want me to dig up some old posts, WhoDat that will verify everything I\'m saying. Cause you will NEVER dig up any old posts where I said we should get rid of Horn or that I didn\'t like him!!

Joe has publicy bashed Haslett when he fired his receiving coach. Joe even said he really never wanted to play for the saints again. Then later Joe said Haslett was a good coach and just had a bunch of bad players!! Then Horn told you and a bunch more fans to shutup already and get behind the team or they needed to load up and move out of New Orleans!!

What Horn says doesn\'t bother me. I could care less. Unlike you (who flip-flops all over the place) I don\'t hang on every word Brooks or Horn says. There\'s no HATE here, my man!!

It\'s clear to me that ya talk outta both sides of ya mouth.. :P

So, Brooks should be cut for the comments he made but Joe is just being Joe?!?! Flippidy Flop, flipflop, what the hell are ya talking \'bout? Someone fill me in and help me make some sense of the WhoDat madness!!

Balls in your court, WhoDat.

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Wow. Let me make it clear, shall I? Horn said, \"I\'m great!\" Brooks said, \"I\'m great, but my teammates are inconsistent.\" - translation: I\'m great my teammates hold me down. But don\'t believe me.

\"Aaron is a talented player, but he doesn\'t take the blame if things go wrong and he is quick to shift the blame and that has caused some friction between himself and some of his teammates.\"

-Mike Detillier
http://saintsreport.com/showarticle....95890de65a3da8 1d702675af3703c&threadid=152688&postid=1440627

Both are egotistical, but only one is underhanded. Likewise, one goes to the Pro Bowl almost every year and has at least SOME basis for saying he\'s great... but I guess that none of that matters.

Yes, I do. Please go show me where I said that I love Jake and hate Brooks.

This is what I\'m talking about. This show immaturity and frustration. I won\'t stoop to comment - be careful though.

And this demonstrates what I have been saying for a LONG time. Fundamentally, you do not grasp the argument. I\'m not sure if you are incapable of understanding, or simply choose to stir the pot. I\'ll lay it out real nice and clear... AGAIN. Maybe, one of these days, you\'ll get it. When it comes to Billy, I guess I\'m a Sunshiner.

I don\'t think AB should be cut, period. I do think that the Saints should seek alternatives at the QB position. Why? B/c AB HAS NOT PRODUCED ON THE FIELD. He is inconsistent, and lacks skills I believe are important in a QB. Even his TEAMMATES joked about his inability to make reads when watching film. Bottom line, AB doesn\'t produce. Moreover, his attitude is relevant because of his position. QBs are generally leaders, and their relationship with the other offensive players (at least) is one of the most important in the game. AB himself has talked about \"fake love.\" He\'s been at heads with numerous players and simply doesn\'t seem to command respect from his teammates.

Joe Horn, on the other hand, does produce, game in game out, year in year out. THAT is the biggest difference b/w Joe Horn and Aaron Brooks. Additionally, as a WR, I don\'t think Horn\'s leadership ability is as relevant as the QB\'s. You may disagree, but it\'s a valid point. Certainly there is at least some rationale behind my feelings. But I guess none of this really matters - b/c in a few posts, you\'ll be talking about agenda again. Hey, when you can\'t win discussing the issues, I guess it makes sense to fall back on \"agenda\" and \"personal grudge.\" Sure...

[Edited on 16/2/2005 by WhoDat]

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Are you capiable of reading? Guess not!!

JOE HORN SAID HE WAS THE BEST RECEIVER IN THE NLF AND THAT IT WASN\'T HASLETT\'S FAULT FOR NOT WINNING! - Translation: I\'m the best receiver in the NFL and I play on a bad team!! What part of that don\'t you understand?!

Be careful? Of what? Maybe you should be careful when you say things like THIS:

When you call my posts BS and try to show I have some kind of hidden agenda, you might not like how I respond.


That won\'t be hard to do. Just take a little while. But, if I find them will you own up to them? If not, then I don\'t feel like wasting my time.

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I sense an altercation. Never fear, dberce is here.

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[Edited on 16/2/2005 by dberce1]

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:shockedbig:

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Joe Horn--94 rec., 1399 yds, 14.9 av., 11 TD\'s
T. O.--77 rec., 1200 yds, 15.6 av., 14 TD\'s
Harrison--86 rec., 1113 yds, 12.9 av., 15 TD\'s
Moss--49 rec., 767 yds, 15.7 av, 11 TD\'s

I\'ll take Horn any day!! What are ya\'ll talking about? Horn deserves the money he wants. CHECK HIS STATS!! He\'s gotten better every year.
You guys want to talk about consistency!!
Pop quiz-- Of the receivers listed above, who is the only one to start and play in all 16 games in 2004??
Answer--Joe Horn
Horn has the biggest heart on this team. Maybe he said some things he shouldn\'t have, but, who hasn\'t. How many people were in attendance at the dome for our final home game??
Weren\'t we in the playoff hunt at that time?
Could this be what Horn is talking about?!?
Talk about any player on the team, but you shouldn\'t talk our best player.
Hey, that\'s just my opinion, though.

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That\'s it - I can quit BnG and never post again. I\'ve officially heard it all!!! The ultimate in irony (or maybe that should be hypocricy) - Billy crying about someone else suggesting that he has an agenda b/c, in his eyes, saying Horn is good but not great is FAR from having a personal grudge. And what did we learn Billy? Anything?

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#1 Joe Horn fan... no point in arguing with him. Just stop because one day he\'ll be inducted into the Saints Hall of Fame and we\'ll all feel stupid. *sarcasm*

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You\'re right, there is no point in arguing b/c you\'re not going to change my mind. If that\'s your purpose here, changing minds, you\'ve come to the wrong place.

By the way - stop and think - have I changed your mind? Probably not. Yet I\'m stubborn and you\'re totally rational. Pot, meet kettle. At least I got my facts straight! LOL ;)

Hey Papz, you sure you\'re not Billy in disguise?

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

That\'s it - I can quit BnG and never post again. I\'ve officially heard it all!!! The ultimate in irony (or maybe that should be hypocricy) - Billy crying about someone else suggesting that he has an agenda b/c, in his eyes, saying Horn is good but not great is FAR from having a personal grudge. And what did we learn Billy? Anything? Let\'s clear something up real quick...

You have issues with comments that Brooks has made in the past. And you\'ve made your feelings well known on this subject. Right?

You\'ve said it shows Brooks is immature, selfish, and that it affects this team in a negative way. Right?

But, what about Joe Horn? Let\'s examine Joe Horn\'s history:

1. After Joe Horn\'s receiving coach got fired, Joe came out and bashed Jim Haslett in the media. Joe even went so far as saying Haslett was using the firing of the receiving coach as a scape-goat and Horn said he didn\'t want to play of the Saints anymore.

2. Then this year, Joe Horn completely changed his stance on Haslett. Joe said that it wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault the Saints were losing. Joe said it was Haslett\'s players who were to blame. In other words, Joe is calling out his teammates!

3. Then for some reason Joe Horn felt compelled to call out the fans. He said, and I quote: \" The fans need to stop the whinning and complaing or the team needs to move out of New Orleans.\"

4. Then there was the cell-phone incident.

IMO, Joe Horn has went far and beyond what Aaron Brooks has ever said. But, this doesn\'t seem to bother you?

It seem to me if you\'re going to hold Brooks to a certain standard, you should hold ALL players to the same standard.

Just because Joe is one of your favorite players doesn\'t excuse Joe Horn. And nothing you can say will change my mind.

For the record: I don\'t hang on every word Brooks or Horn says. I could care less about what Joe had to say. I could care less what Brooks has said.

You\'re the one who doesn\'t like stupid remarks made to the media. Correct that: You don\'t like Brooks making comments to the media but it\'s okay for anyone esle.

[Edited on 17/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Gator --

I don\'t want Horn traded or cut. I like Joe. I haven\'t put him down at all.

All I did was post the comments Joe made and posted his stats. I never put him down at all..

Oh, and Joe said it wasn\'t Haslett\'s fault. He said it was Hasletts players. I don\'t know how anyone could misuderstand that statement.

WhoDat has two different standards. One for Brooks and one for anybody else.

That\'s my story and I\'m sticking to it.

P.S. - I\'ve NEVER bashed Joe Horn.

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Only thing horn said that I didn\'t like is the fans whining about winning -- I like him but I do not think we should be spending the kind of money he is looking for in a long term deal. He has maybe 1 to 2 really good years left and after that its all downhill.

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The same could be said for you Billy. Why don\'t you drop it and leave it simply at we don\'t agree? You think I\'m Aaron Brooks biased. I think the same of you. We disagree on the issue. Fine. But I don\'t come in here suggesting that you lie, make things up, have no common sense, or try to forward some personal vendetta (occassionally I do, but it\'s to make a point - like in this thread).

You\'re doing the same thing now that you claim I do with Brooks. You can\'t show me a single quote where Joe Horn said, \"I want Marvin Harrison money\" or \"I want top 5 money.\" But you have, in this thread, stated as fact that he does, and also stated that you don\'t think he is top 5. Fine, don\'t think it - but the fact that I do think that, and that I don\'t think his comments were tantamount to a Brooksonian bashing of the team doesn\'t make me anymore biased than you. Look - I made a harsh criticism of the article. You responded harshly to me. We both should have throttled back. We didn\'t. You agree?

[Edited on 17/2/2005 by WhoDat]

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I\'ve stayed out of this long enough. chill lads.

[Edited on 18/2/2005 by JOESAM2002]

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WhoDat --

I apologize. I went too far and I shouldn\'t have said some of the things I said. You know how it is. Nothing personal.. ;)

I\'ll say this WhoDat ... You tend to be negative, but at least you back it up with well thoughtout posts. Your posts, as negative as they might be, encourage debate and that\'s always a good thing.

Some posters aren\'t willing to look at the other side. You, on the other hand, will give and take. You\'re generally fair. And that\'s all I can ever ask of anyone.

I suppose I was in a bad mood the other day. Are we good? :D We\'ve gone through much worse and come out of it okay... ;)

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I\'m gonna bump this thread back up, because I have a question regarding Horn.

Did Horn really sleep with Willie Roaf\'s wife? If so, is that why Roaf left? Is everybody cool with that? Do you think his teammates are cool with it?

This is not me trying to throw dirt on Horn...I wasn\'t around NO when all that went down, and only have hear-say info. If anyone has the real facts, I would really like to hear them...a link of some sort would really be nice.

In addition, if that is true, then, IMO, the things that AB said are mild in comparison. If I were Horn, I\'d probably be sneaking off to a dark corner somewhere when people start talking about team comradery....but hey, that\'s just me.

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That\'s the rumor. Around here rumors are generally considered to be facts, though.

I read an article in which Roaf spoke of the incident. He never singled Joe Horn out, but I know he accused Horn of it when Roaf was still here.

Let me see if I can find the article.

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Who knows what Joe Horn did or didn\'t do. But, Roaf didn\'t have to much trust in Joe Horn.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

He had a stripper for a wife... it\'s not like it wasn\'t kind of expected or shocking.

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

What\'s wrong with strippers? And the politically correct name is \"exotic dancers\".. ;)

LMAO!!

Joe Horn eyeing Marvin Harrision type money!
 

Thanks, Gumbo. You too, papz.

[Edited on 20/2/2005 by Saint_LB]