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I don't think we should have let our vets go in 2014
The defense was ranked in the top five. We should have held onto our players. I think losing Greer, Vilma, Jenkins, Smith(don't care if he was old), Harper should not have happened. We should have worked on adding pieces in the draft and addressed the glaring need at the time which was oline and receiver. If we had done that things would probably not be as bad. We were obsessed with wanting to have what Seattle had we didn't realize we just needed to play at home in the playoffs. We still should franchize tagged Graham though but instead of signing Byrd held onto De La Puente(Unger was not an option in 2014). Veterans do not all fall off at the same time.
If we had done this we beat Atlanta week 1, Cleveland week 2, Detroit week 7, SF week 10 and are off to a 8-1 start. We probably beat Baltimore as well and likely end the season 12-4. |
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Yeah and if "ifs" and "buts" were fruit and nuts, every day would be Christmas...
Greer's career ended the day he was injured. Smith was picked up but never saw the regular season again. Vilma. No value there. You can make a case for Jenkins and Harper but don't underestimate what a change in scenery can do for a player's career. Poor draft decisions. Poor talent evaluation. Paying the wrong players. This is more of what got us where we are today. 2015 looks bright in terms of young talent, at least on defense. The opposite is true on offense. |
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I do think you are sorta right about the Seattle thing. Seattle envy, seems to have been a factor in some of Payton's thinking.
I'm absolutely convinced that the colossal 34-7 beatdown loss to Seattle in prime time on Monday night football in 2013, was so jarring and humiliating to Sean Payton, I think it really affected him somehow. I remember watching it on TV, and seeing shots of Payton looking up at the scoreboard like "What just happened to me here?" He literally looked pale and kinda nauseous, and he seemed to be almost dazed and shell-shocked in the press conference afterward. The noise level, the lack of Seahawk penalties, the violence with which they out played the Saints at every position, the weather... They got into his head, big time. It's almost kinda like that's where the slide really started; if you ask me, it started that night! |
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you bring up a good point Bro but I think the downfall of Payton happened when he got suspended in 2012, he hasn't been the same since he returned
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When 2014 arrived that was gone and it became business as usual. He's lost the eye of the tiger. Its common in the NFL and usually a change of scenery is the only thing to get it back. Some rumors are floating around that he has a drug and alcohol addiction, as well as horndog-itis. That may or may not be true, and if it is we don't know to what extent. I think he's just burnt out, and we have a hodge podge of talent. We have about 80% of the ingredients for a great pot of gumbo, and 80% for a great pot of chili, and 80% for a killer jambalaya. We just don't 100% of the ingredients for any of them. Pick a system and focus on acquiring players that fit it. Just like Roman Harper was a near perfect fit for a Gregg Williams defense, he was a bad fit for a system that uses 2 deep zone safeties. |
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We can build on this good talent we have...
Some new coaching talent below... http://i.imgur.com/TcJVOoS.jpg |
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Vilma, Greer and Smith were ALL hurt on the way out...wasted roster space
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And the pieces to replace them were pretty spot on besides lofton
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Cant live in the past. Waste of time and energy. I am sure when we let Brees go, no matter how awful he will be playing, when the next QB comes in, people will say, we shouldn't have let Brees go. Ridiculous right?
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This all started with Tracie Porter. THE man who hand-delivered the two greatest wins in Saints' history.
I know he had "lost a step". But he was an ICON. And it opened the exit door. |
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this is all about i want my guys not the other other guys players. problem is you run out of players to blame sooner than later.
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SP is in denial about his staff and the team. He needs to just acknowledge they are rebuilding and accept it. If he doesn't they will never improve.
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I stand by what I said. Losing that familiarity against our rivals hurt. Do you think Stephone Anthony knows how heartbreaking it is to lose to Atlanta?
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Jenkins should have stayed if take him over Byrd for sure !
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kv had his best game of the year yesterday, was that because byrd played????
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Coulda woulda shoulda. That is what pisses me off about the Graham trade. We let go of some good players and some leadership to afford him. We should have let him hold out or whatever. I still like the trade for Unger but Jimmy shouldnt have been given that much money in the fist place.
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Face it... We are missing 25 former players
who have been replaced with players with no experince and almost NO TALENT. Who ever expected us to be better? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9ecf7e7518.jpg |
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And how were we to keep those players with the salary cap limitations with which we were faced?
Brees and Condon decided how much they had to have, and we had a choice to make... Keep the team intact or keep Brees... And that's the choice you leave yourself with if you don't plan and make moves before the moves are decided for you... |
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You just made my point. Inexperience. They should sit on the bench and watch the starters. |
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Well then. Not now.
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You can make a case for Jenkins and Harper but don't underestimate what a change in scenery can do for a player's career.
Poor draft decisions. Poor talent evaluation. Paying the wrong players. This is more of what got us where we are today. 2015 looks bright in terms of young talent, at least on defense. The opposite is true on offense. |
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The only reason I didn't 100% like the Jenkins move was because, IMHO, he had his best year that season. Then we let him walk.
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Remember Patrick Robinson here? This dude used to play 15 yards off the line of scrimmage & often times he was toasted, yet in SD they use him in the nickel w/proper technique & he makes plays. I blame our coaches :disgusted:. |
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