What are your real expectations IF we fire everyone
 

Well guys and gals, I do understand the frustration with this team right now. As a matter of fact, I do think changes need to be made. My question is if we fire everyone, what kind of team do you think we will realistically field next year.

I have read threads to get rid of players A. B. & C. fire Loomis, fire Payton, fire all assistants. That's fine and all but I think it would take years to recover from these moves. Considering our cap situation, it would be tough to get real veteran FA in here to make a difference coupled with how young the team will be.

I don't have my blinders on, I know changes need to be made. I guess my point is it will take years for this team to become competitive again so we will have to be patient. Patience is not what people want nor have these days anymore and I get it.

Listen, this is just my opinion but I don't see us being a competitor for a few years until we get some really solid drafts & good team management.

I know it has to start somewhere and the team cannot just sit back and accept mediocrity. All I do know is if we blow this team up we will have some long ass seasons ahead of us. WHODAT FOREVER!!!

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Another 40 years of suckage

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We become the Cleveland Browns

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L.A. Saints

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This is the biggest two problems we have. For some reason, we DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRAFT "GOOD" PLAYERS. I feel they are too concerned in finding diamonds in the rough. Colstons and PT's aren't in every draft. We pass up on too many good players.

(This post was not written in anger)

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If everyone leaves I expect to flounder in mediocrity for a few more decades. Either that or we'll flat out suck again like before Payton came here.

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We're not a competitive team now and we're only trending downward. Payton's not gonna wake up tomorrow and rediscover the old passion that made him one heck of a feared play caller. Something is wrong with him... I don't know what, but he's a different man.

I don't know what to expect when we go full rebuild. We've been losing for two years now so if we had a new coaching staff at least it would be understandable.

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I haven't really seen much done through drafts lately. And i think FA hasn't been too great either. We need better scouting and team management. None of this will happen anytime soon. Brees will be gone before any of that and I don't have high hopes on our rookie QB....yet.
And our salary cap will continue to haunt us probably into the next 2 seasons. Although I love the picks with Anthony and kikaha.
But we're doomed for sure for years to come.

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depends on who takes over...damn shame Harbaugh wasn't leaving the 49ers this year and we could grab him. Imagine him with Drew, he went to the SB with kapernick.

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So why can't we be able to play better on a fresh start like Indy has? Are we that unattractive for good GM and coaches to come to?

I don't care if we suck, I will spend the diwntime cheering on brees and his new team.

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IF we fire everyone after the season...with these salary cap issues?

Like someone said earlier, we'll be the NFC's version of the Browns for about 3 years minimum regardless if Brees is here or not because we won't be able to beat Scam & the Panthers OR Jameis & the Bucs OR Matty Slice & the FailClowns. If you can't win in your division, you're gonna be below .500 or worse.

And we'll see Carolina, Tampa, & Freakin Georgia playing for the top spot in the division in that 3 year time span fighting over our dead carcass with that token "2 easy division wins against us".

How sickening is that thought? Dystopian nightmare.

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Barry, we're already in last place in our division.

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Yeah.The Bucs have won more games than us. Unreal.

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There is another problem which could be impacting the team operations is the family power struggle. They are all up there in their Sky Box wrestling around and duking it out. Meanwhile no one is watching the game and holding the Staff accountable.
I do see teams like the Patriots and Packers who stay competitive consistently despite free agency, injuries and scandals.

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Yes we are that unattractive. Our cap situation is horrible. The only way to re ally fix it is to somehow get rid of Drew. Drew is one of the few things about this team that does look attractive to a prospective coach so that is that.
The future of our franchise weather or not you want to admit it is questionable. There is an ownership scuffle and no matter how it turns out coming into an organization who is a mess at the top is not attractive.

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I certainly know that. This year we picked 9 players in the draft. The Loomis/Payton Era has never picked more than 8 in any year. The most they have ever picked was 8, and that was in their first year in 2006. They are rebuilding without saying they are rebuilding.

If you fire everyone in the middle of a rebuilding project, the entire organization is set back a few years. That was just my opinion, though, and I was just expressing that.

All I was doing was answering the question set forth in the thread...that's what my expectations would be if we fire everyone now or right after the season...we'd be in last place in our division for at least 3 years.

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Can we declare bankruptcy and start over without a cap? We need a mastermind GM who can get us out of this crap hole.

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If that happens, Drew is gone and we are instantly in a better cap situation. While Drew is great and important, even at his advanced age, we can lose the same number of games as we do now with a QB not of Drew's caliber. This obviously means parlaying Drew into some sort of draft picks, if possible. And at this point of suckage with our current set of coaches, why not? Do we become the Cleveland Browns? Probably not, or are we already? 2017 is a better year for us, cap wise. So a new regime at the end of this football year could prove timely after all.

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I Think that might be about to change with the new scouts and Ireland. This years draft class looks like the best since 2006.

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Firing SP would be the dumbest move possible. You trust that he'll get things sorted out, he's been shown to be a consistent coach. He's just in the midst of a couple bad years. You don't just throw something out that has been shown to work. Your chances of righting the ship are much higher than going out and finding someone new.

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Also I'd like to point out that last year, about 1/3 of the way into the season everyone was thinking "The patriots are finish, Brady is in decline... yada yada", then they turned things around and starting playing good ball. Even good coaches hit a wall, then they have to figure out how to break through.

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Fellas, no matter if you want to keep Payton or move in a different direction, there's no reason to be afraid of changes, if that does happen. This is not the pre-free agency NFL. With the salary cap you can't just sit around and wait for everyone to grow up, because by the time they do, half of them will probably be gone.

At the same time, it doesn't have to take years to rebuild. That's the way the league is structured. It's why the league is so incredibly mediocre... So few teams are ever built to last. If you find the right coaches and management, you might have a chance. Maybe we won't be good for another 15 years, but I'd be willing to bet it won't take very long at all, if the Saints do things right.

Whether that means Payton getting a grip, and figuring out how to right the ship, or bringing someone else in, we'll just have to see. But I'm not afraid to see a change, if it comes to that.

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I think he has it figured out. He just needs his starters to be healthy and get some depth behind them. This offseason there were some big changes made and we need to give this plan time to mature.


The problem with Payton is he likes to gamble. Unfortunately, overall the players he's gambled on have been ineffective. Goodwin. Lelito, Coleman and Browner have failed to live up to expectations. I believe Ireland did a good job reining in Payton during the draft this year.

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But do we have coaches to do that? So far, I don't think we do. Change is good.

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Agreed!

- Sincerely,
Art Modell

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I'm just going to play the Super Bowl Winning season over and over and over on my DVD player Year after year after year. I'm good.

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Keep the O-coaches and get rid of the D coaches and start runnnig a 3-4. O would look good with a few pieces and so would the D.

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I don't know man. I don't see where he's figured anything out. I understand the player changes, but I'm talking about the way he coaches. The scheme is stale and the decisions are questionable, at best. There is a great deal of disorganization, as well. And the way he's handled Browner, with all of his on-field suckage and off-field drama, there has been no change there.

It doesn't seem to me like he has much of a grip on things. I'm willing to put up with the rest of this season in hopes that they start showing signs of improvement by next year, but if this continues it's time to move on. Again, this isn't a league where you build slowly.

The organizations that stay on top are the one's who are most decisive in making changes before players and schemes get stale, and not over-paying so many players that it compromises the rest of the roster. We just rode this thing right into the ground.