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dizzle88 12-24-2015 05:43 PM

Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
I have to say I'm especially impressed by Brandin Cooks, he has 7 TD's in the last 8 games. He is 7 yards shy of 1000 yards with 2 games to go.

One thing I would say is I think we could use Brandin a little more, the jet sweep we ran in 2014 was very effective and we haven't run at all this season.

Willie Snead, after taking a similar route that Lance Moore, is just 121 yards shy of 1000 and has been stringing some very nice games together.

I would like to see Brandon Coleman get more involved, when he makes a catch he impresses me, the guy has got a talent at breaking tackles and creating YAC.

I'd like to see him get targeted more, which may happen when Colston is no longer around.

halloween 65 12-24-2015 09:34 PM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 686893)
I have to say I'm especially impressed by Brandin Cooks, he has 7 TD's in the last 8 games. He is 7 yards shy of 1000 yards with 2 games to go.

One thing I would say is I think we could use Brandin a little more, the jet sweep we ran in 2014 was very effective and we haven't run at all this season.

Willie Snead, after taking a similar route that Lance Moore, is just 121 yards shy of 1000 and has been stringing some very nice games together.

I would like to see Brandon Coleman get more involved, when he makes a catch he impresses me, the guy has got a talent at breaking tackles and creating YAC.

I'd like to see him get targeted more, which may happen when Colston is no longer around.

I agree but Coleman has to have better hands. Cooks and Snead have great hands.

Mr.Riaton 12-24-2015 11:55 PM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
I don't think WR needs to be a priority this off season.

burningmetal 12-25-2015 12:08 AM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
I agree with Riaton that WR doesn't need to be a priority this off-season, but I will say that despite the numbers I still think Cooks would be best suited as a slot receiver. We target him a lot, and that kind of helps his stats. I just don't see where he gets open on the outside, very consistently. So while it's got to be on the back burner right now, I think having a more legitimate number one receiver on the outside, and slotting Cooks inside would help in the future.

I know Snead doesn't have ideal size either, but he gets open more, and Cooks' speed makes him a better fit in the slot than Willie, in my opinion.

hagan714 12-25-2015 10:16 AM

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Benjamin Watson 67 97 761

halloween 65 12-25-2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 686943)
Benjamin Watson 67 97 761

I wouldn't mind seeing a TE in the draft. Maybe 4th-5th round. To much more need ahead G, DE, and OLB. Might need a look at T also. But a trade like Graham I'm looking at a TE in the 2nd.

vpheughan 12-25-2015 11:17 AM

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Wait!! I thought we have "no receivers!!"

halloween 65 12-25-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 686951)
Wait!! I thought we have "no receivers!!"

Still waiting on Coleman, but he has improved some?. Need better depth at WR position in general. Replacing Colston might be hard overall.

jnormand 12-25-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 686950)
I wouldn't mind seeing a TE in the draft. Maybe 4th-5th round. To much more need ahead G, DE, and OLB. Might need a look at T also. But a trade like Graham I'm looking at a TE in the 2nd.

My question is wth happened to Josh Hill? I totally thought he was gonna be a beast this year.

Crusader 12-25-2015 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 686960)
My question is wth happened to Josh Hill? I totally thought he was gonna be a beast this year.

Watson happened.

halloween 65 12-25-2015 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 686960)
My question is wth happened to Josh Hill? I totally thought he was gonna be a beast this year.

I thought so to. He didn't step up.

WillSaints81 12-25-2015 08:19 PM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 686951)
Wait!! I thought we have "no receivers!!"

Our receivers have not showed up against elite secondaries save for Carolina but we face them twice a year.

Arizona shut down Cooks. Where was Snead other than his TD?

If we had a better receiver we would not be having poor first halfs.

WillSaints81 12-25-2015 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 686952)
Still waiting on Coleman, but he has improved some?. Need better depth at WR position in general. Replacing Colston might be hard overall.

How hard can it be to replace this version?

Audiotom 12-25-2015 11:47 PM

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Cooks has fantastic hands

He needs a number one receiver to draw the defenses number 1
Then Cooks would blow the roof off

dizzle88 12-26-2015 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 686985)
Cooks has fantastic hands

He needs a number one receiver to draw the defenses number 1
Then Cooks would blow the roof off

Agreed, an AJ green type player would work wonders for someone like Cooks.

ctsaint01 12-26-2015 01:00 AM

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Better O Line would result in better receiver play. Give Brees time and watch him be himself ; torchin any secondary.

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Rugby Saint II 12-26-2015 04:25 PM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
I was excited about Coleman coming into the season. Not so much right now. We'll see how much playing time he gets in the next two games. Still, WR is not high on my list of priorities.

WillSaints81 12-26-2015 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ctsaint01 (Post 686988)
Better O Line would result in better receiver play. Give Brees time and watch him be himself ; torchin any secondary.

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It's not a guarantee the oline will be fixed and pay off next season. Cooks cannot outplay peterson. Oline should be top priority but there needs to be insurance.


I can't do this anymore, Brees will throw interceptions with protection if the receivers don't beat the secondary.

ctsaint01 12-26-2015 05:29 PM

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I agree that the O Line getting better isn't guaranteed. Even so, Brees only needs a decent line to give his receivers a chance to make a play since ,as you know, him moving around the pocket is something many QBs wish they could emulate.

Brees doesn't need a dominant #1 receiver. HE never has. It would be nice and all but the fact is: give him a Line, get out the way and watch him work.

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Mr.Riaton 12-27-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ctsaint01 (Post 686988)
Better O Line would result in better receiver play. Give Brees time and watch him be himself ; torchin any secondary.

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Bingo! I still don't understand why this has to keep being mentioned. I agree that a big aggressive number 1 receiver will help Cooks and Snead, but if pressure keeps getting in Drews face, its irrelevant. Now, you can look at it as having that receiver for the future for when we do finally get a beast O line,but who will be throwing to him by then? Much more pressing needs IMO to be chasing a WR with a top draft pick or a top FA acquisition.

Audiotom 12-27-2015 06:36 PM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
Well Cooks has 1117 yards and 9 touchdowns

Pretty impressive for his second season

Crusader 12-28-2015 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 687208)
Well Cooks has 1117 yards and 9 touchdowns

Pretty impressive for his second season

That is a damn good season.

He has doubled his receiving yards since last year and tripled the number of TDs with one game left.

dizzle88 12-28-2015 04:03 AM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
Cooks now has 8 TD's in the last 8 games too.

He's had a very good season, if we get a number one receiver to take some coverage away then Cooks could get even better.

Come on Willie Snead, he's just 51 yards shy of 1000.

Props to Tim Hightower too, the guy is a workhorse.

nutria 12-28-2015 06:51 AM

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If Coleman keeps improving, we may already have Colston's replacement.[/I]

dizzle88 12-28-2015 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nutria (Post 687263)
If Coleman keeps improving, we may already have Colston's replacement.[/I]

Coleman shows improvement all the time, Brees is trusting him more and more.

I like it when he gets involved, just hope he can become one of the main guys next season.

WillSaints81 12-28-2015 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton (Post 687180)
Bingo! I still don't understand why this has to keep being mentioned. I agree that a big aggressive number 1 receiver will help Cooks and Snead, but if pressure keeps getting in Drews face, its irrelevant. Now, you can look at it as having that receiver for the future for when we do finally get a beast O line,but who will be throwing to him by then? Much more pressing needs IMO to be chasing a WR with a top draft pick or a top FA acquisition.

I never said with the top pick or the top FA acquisition but it needs to be a pick or one of the FA grabs.

If it is true Colston was already good before Brees threw to him, then having another fill that void is important. Do I trust Coleman? Not in a must win situation I don't. It's like the dolphins game Brees had to throw to Colston to come back in that game. He had to throw to Colston to turn the Thanksgiving game around in Dallas. Colston opened the game up against GB in 08 with that big TD catch. Yeah Brees can turn receivers into better ones but they were not number ones. For example when we go to Arrowhead next year and KC is gonna put the heat on us who is gonna step up and get the saints in scoring position. Do you Trust Coleman or Snead to make it happen in that atmosphere? And you can't run on them. We got killed in Denver in 12 because Colston was bottled up by Bailey, Graham was getting covered and Moore did not step up who we needed to. Even Henderson could not deal with that defense. We could only throw a TD to Sproles after Graham had the first one early on.

Audiotom 12-28-2015 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 687259)
That is a damn good season.

He has doubled his receiving yards since last year and tripled the number of TDs with one game left.

He was injured in game ten and out for the season the last 6 games last year



Plus it took Payton until the Packers game last year to actually give Brandon the long ball shots
Even though it was pretty obvious to everyone else to throw it to Brandin

burningmetal 12-28-2015 11:29 PM

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I can't agree with those saying O-line play makes the receivers better. The receiver, if he does his job right, should be open within about 2 seconds. But the QB takes a little more time to go through all his progressions, unless he's predetermined who he's going to throw to (which happens plenty).

An improved offensive line would obviously help Brees a lot. But for much of this season our receivers have struggled to get open. Whether or not Brees has time to throw it to them, they should be able to get open. But much of the time as Brees is either standing or running around, you see guys just running vertically with no sort of move to get away.

Snead has been the best route runner. Cooks has come on a bit of late, finally, but I still don't trust him in critical situations to fight for the ball. I guess that's the biggest point I'm trying to make out of all of this... Many of our receivers have been soft.

Nevertheless, I do still believe that offensive and defensive line are the biggest priority. If we get our QB killed, it WILL NOT matter who our WR's are, with all other arguments about receivers aside. And if we continue to let teams run all over us and give their QB's 7 seconds to throw the ball, we will not have enough good players at any level of the defense to stop anybody.

jeanpierre 12-29-2015 03:25 AM

Re: Brandin Cooks and Willie Snead Nearing 1000 yards
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 687261)
Cooks now has 8 TD's in the last 8 games too.

He's had a very good season, if we get a number one receiver to take some coverage away then Cooks could get even better.

Come on Willie Snead, he's just 51 yards shy of 1000.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 687261)
Props to Tim Hightower too, the guy is a workhorse.

Not so much; but, he's a quality backup, getting healthy...


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